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Re: Hoppin Mad
« Reply #15 on: 27 November 2006, 10:36:18 »

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What's wrong with my PC?

Previously signed up with AOL but it wouldn't connect properly and they wanted me to pay BT to check the land line as they suspected a fault.  So I packed in first attempt at broadband & stayed on dial up for 6m. Anyway, I got fed up and recently upgraded to Virgin Broadband.

No problems loading drivers, little boxes plugged in all the right places and off we go.  Until about 4pm till 8pm daily, then it flags up ' cannot connect to server, checked modem etc'.  That's why I sign in so late usually, as I reckon it's all the little kiddies coming home from school and jumping on the internet instead of kicking a football around in the fresh air.

Would my theory hold any water if the land lines are unable to cope with all this extra internet traffic? And more importantly can I do anything about it?  :-?

Virgin and ADSL in general is a steaming pile of shite. I'm with virgin and my connection speed is ridiculous. I've had faster dial-up!! I'm supposed to be on 8meg and i've never seen my speeds reach anywhere near that. Thing is with ADSL and Virgin is they try to pack as many customers as possible on small crappy, insufficient and old exchanges. This lowers the contention ratio to an unacceptable level meaning your speeds and connection latency suffers massively. Unfortunately, there's bugger all you can do about it, except switch to a decent broadband service like cable  (NTL rock on this one). You can join forces with me and boycot virgin or harass their support team, but I doubt that would accomplish much.


That would be the Oversubscribing thing I was Talking about then...

It's not the exchanges that are the problem, it's the ISPs Connection to the BT Backbone....The ISP I used to work for had a 32MB Backbone, over Subcribed by 35%, and in every 6 months it cost the a fortune to upgrade it, about 10,000 for 5MB.

It's shocking how they do it, but it's all to scrimp and save costs.

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Re: Hoppin Mad
« Reply #16 on: 27 November 2006, 11:37:20 »

Thats the one, oversubbing. Didn't read your above post hehe.
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« Reply #17 on: 27 November 2006, 12:12:34 »

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Tis Ok, no Problem...

Way back in the late 70's early 80's BT installed 3 counter rotating ATM Rings that cover the whole of the UK.
These ATM Rings are the Backbone of ADSL as we know it today.
The ATM Rings are huge, both Logically and Physically, they have Massive bandwidth Capabilities Upwards of OC192 or OC768 which if I remember corrrect is 10GBPS, and 40GBPS Respectivly,  and all ADSL Traffic travels across these rings at some point.
These rings are fine, it's the ISPs measly tight fisted, backbone to them with is the butt ache, and will cause you the most problems.
When BT first brought out the idea of ADSL, (the 'A' from ADSL takes it's meaning from the A of ATM by the way, it's Asyncronous, not Advanced, as some PC world Employees keep telling people!!) it was thought that many many people will go the 20-1 contention ratio, but alas most ISP's (in there tight fisted way) have pushed folks down the 50-1.
BT had over built it's service, and so a 20-1 contention service (Like Mine) will often mean you are up with an extra 1-2MBPS, on the 50-1 contention folks at the same speed, it really is worth the extra dosh if you can afford it and use it.
Infact IIRC, BT also set  1-1 contention aside, along with SDSL, but again ISPs had the way.. damn them!!! >:(

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Re: Hoppin Mad
« Reply #18 on: 27 November 2006, 12:49:29 »

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Going on that if i wanted 8M.....i would have to move next door to the exchange!!  ::)
I am 3.5km (cable length), about 3km via road, and sync at between 6.1Mbps and 6.8Mbps

Guess it depends how new the cable is..... :-/ You live on a fairly new estate Jaime....my house is over 100 years old and probaby the cable is as well  :(
The last 200m of cable is new, the e-side is all old crap around here.   The previous e-sides I had were 1.5km longer than ones on now (I have the right contacts to get them swapped).
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Re: Hoppin Mad
« Reply #19 on: 27 November 2006, 12:59:40 »

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Thats the one, oversubbing. Didn't read your above post hehe.
Remember, a standard 622Mbps central from BT's ATM to ISP costs the ISP over £1m/yr.  The maths of this means that a fully max'd out 8Mbps line will cost ISP just shy of £2k per month purely in central costs, before considering port costs, ISP's own network/infrastructure/overheads, or transit costs that are also high.

Some people have considered it their god given right to max out their DSL lines downloading 'Linux Distros' etc (yeah, right, 400Gb of Linux distros per month is a lot of Linux).  These people have ruined DSL for the masses, as there was no way it could go on.  So now we have to live with small caps, or overloaded centrals.  And in the case of MaxDSL, limited VPs from exchanges...
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« Reply #20 on: 27 November 2006, 13:27:41 »

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Thats the one, oversubbing. Didn't read your above post hehe.
Remember, a standard 622Mbps central from BT's ATM to ISP costs the ISP over £1m/yr.  The maths of this means that a fully max'd out 8Mbps line will cost ISP just shy of £2k per month purely in central costs, before considering port costs, ISP's own network/infrastructure/overheads, or transit costs that are also high.

Some people have considered it their god given right to max out their DSL lines downloading 'Linux Distros' etc (yeah, right, 400Gb of Linux distros per month is a lot of Linux).  These people have ruined DSL for the masses, as there was no way it could go on.  So now we have to live with small caps, or overloaded centrals.  And in the case of MaxDSL, limited VPs from exchanges...


Well I don't do Linux, TBH, but after all you do pay for the service so why not use it... ?
Nothing wrong with getting your monies worth.
Port Costs to BT are pretty low (all things considered), and yes I agree an ISP overheads can be quite high....
MAXDSL, MAY not lead to limited Virtual Paths, it depends on the line quantity the exchange is dealing with, if it's full to the brim, with brand spanking new copper, then yes limited VPs may have to happen, as the total stable speed may be very high indeed but on empty exchanges with crap lines, fill um up! :D

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Re: Hoppin Mad
« Reply #21 on: 27 November 2006, 13:34:16 »

BT appear to have restricted the VPs used by MaxDSL so poor speeds across BT's ATM network are more noticable on Max than on older fixed products.

Hence, in evenings, my 2Mb fixed line outperforms my Max line.
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« Reply #22 on: 27 November 2006, 13:45:09 »

Yes, but you will have 1 Virtual Path, and one Virtual Channel per Line.
They may well limit you to a certain amount of TCP connections however, or throttle the bandwidth.
Think (though not 100% Certain) that the current VPI is still 38, I think they are running out of space though and newer connections are starting to get other numbers.
The Channel ID is still 0 though

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« Reply #23 on: 27 November 2006, 14:55:13 »

I don't actually mind about the speed cap... I'd happily sit at 1 or 2mb if it was stable, and had a nice latency. As it is, my connection constantly drops out, and my latency to most main datacentres sits firmly at around 250ms. Some evenings or very early mornings (i.e. 2am!) it starts to speed up to an acceptable level. I fact I had a whole day at a nice speed once... ONE DAY.

I'd love to get cable back in. Nice 10:1 contention ratio and the reliability was solid. Plus works almost done on the DOCSIS 3.0 protocols, so speeds will take another bonus in the not too distant future. Only problem is, NTL won't install to where I live at the moment :(

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it's Asyncronous, not Advanced, as some PC world Employees keep telling people!!

I just wanna punch these PC World employee's sometimes.

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« Reply #24 on: 27 November 2006, 15:34:42 »

Yes Punching is a great idea....  ;D

I have a good humiliation Story with regards to a certain PC World employee in Swindon, which is a little out of the scope of the tread.... but very funny... there where tears, and Manager involved.... and all because he Lied....

Also the Notice on the door stated "Computer Engineers Needed, no Previous Experience Required"...  :-?

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« Reply #25 on: 27 November 2006, 15:39:58 »

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I have a good humiliation Story with regards to a certain PC World employee in Swindon, which is a little out of the scope of the tread.... but very funny... there where tears, and Manager involved.... and all because he Lied....

Do tell... who cares about the thread derailment... already gone way over the scope :P ;D
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« Reply #26 on: 27 November 2006, 16:18:43 »

Well....

I was standing in a queue at PC World, waiting to ask about some RAM.The Lady in front was chatting about her PC repair she had just had done to the PFY at the help desk.
He was the only one there, and I was waiting patiently, in a queue of 5, then 6 then 7.
The lady finished up, and before she left she said, Oh, I had Broadband installed at my house, and it's a new one called ADSL, what does the A Stand for....??

In that split second his fate was sealed!
If I could have caputured the look of terror on his face at that moment, I would have kept it always, as a reminder that "real fear looks like this"
The seconds passed, and all at once he blurted "advanced", while looking smug with himself.
Unfortunatly, I was in the queue, and his smugness is short lived.
"You liar", I blurt.
That area of the shop just stops, everyone looks at me.
The lady in front of me gave me an awful look.
" so ADSL stands for Advanced Digital Subscriber line does it ?", I ask in my best sarcastic voice.
Now rather than just own up, and claim he made it up, he says "yes, it does, I read it in the BT Manual."
At this point I see red...
"I see, so are you sure it doesn't stand for Asyncronous" I ask throwing him one last life line....
"no" says the PFY.

I then accuse him of lying again, and ask this Lady, how can she be sure the £456.88p she just handed over was for any kind of work done at all.
By this time My Wife (who is always up for a buit of Public Humiliation), goes and finds a Magazine from the front of the Store, called Broadbandbuyer, or something like that. we thumb through it and find ADSL - Asyncronous Digital Subscriber Line.
The lady now believes me, and starts demanding some proof of the work done, the guy behind me (unbeknown to me up until this point) is also here to pick up a desktop PC, and starts demanding proof. (it's amazing how these things snowball)
Then I start butting in asking about Compaq RAM.
The PFY cannot take it and starts to break down... he is going very very red at this point, and very sweaty, tears are in his eyes, and I'm telling the wife at the top of my voice how I think he is going to cry, which doesn't help a great deal, he claimed it was sweat but I know it was a tear, he retreats to fetch the Manager.
The Manager turns up, who is also a PFY. Average age of PC World Employee is 12 I think!
I start demanding free RAM... (I havn't actually brought anything yet, I only went in there for a part Number) no harm in trying is there... ?
I should point out that there is only 3 of us in the queue now, everyone else has got bored, and the shop is emptying fast.
The Manager claims "our employees are not liars"
"Well this one is" I say... "on the back of what you have just said, does that mean he no longer works for PC World... are you going to fire him for lying to the customers?"
The tears almost start again.
"he didn't lie, he told you what he thought the answer was"
"so he lied then?" I reason.
"well no, he just was misinformed, by our training."
"or he is just a lying towrag, that knows nothing about his own job, and anyway where was the RAM I ordered".
"Ok sir, what was the Part number?"
by now getting very pissed off...
"I don't know thats what I came in here for.... I spoke to him last week, and HE (Pointing) said he would order it in, he even took my card Number".
"I...I... have never spoken to you before" he shreeks
"you would say that wouldn't you."
To cut a long story short I get my 1GB Upgrade for FREE, and I play Battlefield 2 all that night, AFAIK the Lady in front and the Guy behind me are still in the queue demanding proof....


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Re: Hoppin Mad
« Reply #27 on: 27 November 2006, 16:22:53 »

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You're an evil git! Kudos on the free RAM upgrade though!!
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« Reply #28 on: 27 November 2006, 16:28:46 »

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Well....

I was standing in a queue at PC World, waiting to ask about some RAM.The Lady in front was chatting about her PC repair she had just had done to the PFY at the help desk.
He was the only one there, and I was waiting patiently, in a queue of 5, then 6 then 7.
The lady finished up, and before she left she said, Oh, I had Broadband installed at my house, and it's a new one called ADSL, what does the A Stand for....??

In that split second his fate was sealed!
If I could have caputured the look of terror on his face at that moment, I would have kept it always, as a reminder that "real fear looks like this"
The seconds passed, and all at once he blurted "advanced", while looking smug with himself.
Unfortunatly, I was in the queue, and his smugness is short lived.
"You liar", I blurt.
That area of the shop just stops, everyone looks at me.
The lady in front of me gave me an awful look.
" so ADSL stands for Advanced Digital Subscriber line does it ?", I ask in my best sarcastic voice.
Now rather than just own up, and claim he made it up, he says "yes, it does, I read it in the BT Manual."
At this point I see red...
"I see, so are you sure it doesn't stand for Asyncronous" I ask throwing him one last life line....
"no" says the PFY.

I then accuse him of lying again, and ask this Lady, how can she be sure the £456.88p she just handed over was for any kind of work done at all.
By this time My Wife (who is always up for a buit of Public Humiliation), goes and finds a Magazine from the front of the Store, called Broadbandbuyer, or something like that. we thumb through it and find ADSL - Asyncronous Digital Subscriber Line.
The lady now believes me, and starts demanding some proof of the work done, the guy behind me (unbeknown to me up until this point) is also here to pick up a desktop PC, and starts demanding proof. (it's amazing how these things snowball)
Then I start butting in asking about Compaq RAM.
The PFY cannot take it and starts to break down... he is going very very red at this point, and very sweaty, tears are in his eyes, and I'm telling the wife at the top of my voice how I think he is going to cry, which doesn't help a great deal, he claimed it was sweat but I know it was a tear, he retreats to fetch the Manager.
The Manager turns up, who is also a PFY. Average age of PC World Employee is 12 I think!
I start demanding free RAM... (I havn't actually brought anything yet, I only went in there for a part Number) no harm in trying is there... ?
I should point out that there is only 3 of us in the queue now, everyone else has got bored, and the shop is emptying fast.
The Manager claims "our employees are not liars"
"Well this one is" I say... "on the back of what you have just said, does that mean he no longer works for PC World... are you going to fire him for lying to the customers?"
The tears almost start again.
"he didn't lie, he told you what he thought the answer was"
"so he lied then?" I reason.
"well no, he just was misinformed, by our training."
"or he is just a lying towrag, that knows nothing about his own job, and anyway where was the RAM I ordered".
"Ok sir, what was the Part number?"
by now getting very pissed off...
"I don't know thats what I came in here for.... I spoke to him last week, and HE (Pointing) said he would order it in, he even took my card Number".
"I...I... have never spoken to you before" he shreeks
"you would say that wouldn't you."
To cut a long story short I get my 1GB Upgrade for FREE, and I play Battlefield 2 all that night, AFAIK the Lady in front and the Guy behind me are still in the queue demanding proof....


Cheers.

Matt

Ooh Matt............you're so cruel and heartless! [smiley=happy.gif] [smiley=grin.gif] [smiley=grin.gif]
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Re: Hoppin Mad
« Reply #29 on: 27 November 2006, 16:31:29 »

I do try.... :D :D ;D :D >:( ;D :D ;D :D
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