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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #15 on: 24 March 2016, 14:40:41 »

I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.


That's what scares me Gav  ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions  ;D ;D ;D

You can roll it back to Win 7 within 28 days after that you`ll need to do a clean install of Win 7  :y
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #16 on: 24 March 2016, 14:42:19 »

I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.


That's what scares me Gav  ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions  ;D ;D ;D
Thats the beauty of cloning TG, your still have your original Drive or a Copy of it at hand. 
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #17 on: 24 March 2016, 14:46:23 »

I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.


That's what scares me Gav  ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions  ;D ;D ;D

You can roll it back to Win 7 within 28 days after that you`ll need to do a clean install of Win 7  :y



My lad went from Win 8 to 10 and back again. His Aldi special desktop went tits up and point blank refused to let him register Win 10 regardless of the advise given out on here.
Ended up with assorts of weird shite happening like files from his app design stuff for Nokia and Blackberry disappearing  :(
He is a bit of a hot head like his old man too ................. Lets just say Basil Fawlty would have been proud  ;D
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #18 on: 24 March 2016, 14:47:31 »

I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.


That's what scares me Gav  ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions  ;D ;D ;D
Thats the beauty of cloning TG, your still have your original Drive or a Copy of it at hand.




You lot are slipping  ::)
You missed out on a chance to get rid of me there  :D :D :D
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #19 on: 24 March 2016, 14:53:23 »

You lot are slipping  ::)
You missed out on a chance to get rid of me there  :D :D :D
Ah, Damn, ... now let me talk you about a useful tool called 'Format'.  ;D
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #20 on: 24 March 2016, 17:53:16 »

KB3035583 appears to have been re-released overnight as an important update. It's just appeared on all of my machines even though it's been previously hidden. That means that if you've got updates set to 'auto install' you'll be infected again by KB3035583. If I could trust M$ to honour my settings then perhaps I would use group policies. But I can't, so I don't. YMMV.
Well, that's why you keep getting Win10 messages ;).  They clearly publish what you have to do to prevent the upgrade. Permanently. So why not opt out in the official way, rather than the utter 'dangle berries' that the bloke down the pub says?
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #21 on: 24 March 2016, 17:55:41 »

I would check the Toshiba website for compatibility before you try Win 10, my old Toshiba wasn`t happy with it and the track pad just didn`t work properly afterwards.


That's what scares me Gav  ::)
If it goes tits up, how will I be able to piss you lot off with stupid questions  ;D ;D ;D

You can roll it back to Win 7 within 28 days after that you`ll need to do a clean install of Win 7  :y
As sure as shit is brown and smelly, do NOT rely on that. Whilst it does often work, I've had loads of machines thrown at me where that hasn't worked.

As Zirk says, a good clone is the best starting point.
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #22 on: 24 March 2016, 20:25:07 »

Well, that's why you keep getting Win10 messages ;)

I need to get the messages so that I know when our users are going to get problems. It's how I knew first thing this morning that M$ were at it again. But I wasn't infected because I followed my own advice. ;D

They clearly publish what you have to do to prevent the upgrade. Permanently. So why not opt out in the official way, rather than the utter 'dangle berries' that the bloke down the pub says?

I assume you're referring to this : https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

Which was first published in late July 2015, some 4 months AFTER KB3035583 first hit the streets - IIRC as a critical/important update so it often got installed automatically.

And then you've got KB2952664, KB2977759, KB2990214, KB3021917, KB3050265, KB3068708, KB3075249, KB3080149, all of which are at best dubious. You only have to start up Windows running through a proxy and Wireshark to realise that an awful lot of stuff is going on without your knowledge, and without knowledge you cannot give informed consent regardless of what the EULA says/said. Some of these updates repeatedly re-install too.

There is no mention of KB3080351 on the KB3035583 info screen, so Microsoft aren't exactly making it easy to find.
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #23 on: 25 March 2016, 11:40:35 »

OK, lets get this straight once and for all. Because I hear an awful lot of bullshit about Win10, MS playing underhand, and "this is what my mum's dog's brother's best mate's girlfriend heard down the pub".

MS want everyone on Windows 10? Yes, absolutely.

They WILL ensure everyone is forced on to it? Nope. They provide AND DOCUMENT a list of official options to prevent it being deployed. They do this because the one group of people MS really do not want to piss off badly are medium/large companies, and they really don't want to get on the wrong side of head of these IT departments. So MS HAVE to ensure a very robust method of doing nothing.


The Group Policy method was publically published several months ago, and was available privately before then, but the internet is full of unreliable wank about uninstalling updates to prevent it based on flawed logic by people who think they are smarter than what they are.

MS were really only putting the update block in place for enterprises, so were slow to publically publish the options, as most enterprises would use Systems Center or WSUS to provide updates, until this year, neither could deal with a Win10 upgrade. I believe even now, domain attached computers will still not upgrade (would need to check).


MS's strategy for Windows patching has changed from a full matrix more towards the Apple/Android style of only patching the latest.  This partially happened partway through the life of Win8, and has gone all in with Windows 10 - so you'll see the occasional huge update, then cumulative updates to that big update, with no/few standalone Windows patches.


For non business users, there probably isn't much reason to refuse a freebie upgrade to a legal* version of Windows 10, as to be frank, it runs on virtually all things that could run Vista (Win10 is ultimately just an enhanced Vista kernel) as well as the original OS, with very few compatibility issues.  However, I do believe that should be the user's choice...  ...to an extent.


So, in essence, if you don't want Win10, use the officially documented ways to block it, as these will be robust, as they are built in order to really not piss off the purse strings. Thus, can be relied upon. Unlike most of the wank to bypass it that you find on the internet - I'm just the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, but even I could see that none of them are likely to work for any length of time.


* Including all those dodgy Windows 7 Ultimates, which one of the channel rags reported that MS were saying a huge number (like 90% :o) were illegal copies, and that it is trivial for MS to decide which ones if they wanted to...   ...maybe they will once (if  :-X) Win10 free upgrade closes...
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #24 on: 25 March 2016, 13:01:23 »

I'll just run WIN 7 on my old machine till it dies and then buy a new one with WIN 10 pre installed. No dramas.
I don't have to worry about sneaky upgrades because it tells me my graphics won't support 10.
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #25 on: 25 March 2016, 13:53:58 »

Oppps, sounds like a rant  :-[

Frustration, maybe, that when the developers give a simple procedure for something, users feel the need to ignore it and dream up another way (that would clearly never work) and moan that it doesn't.

No malice or offence intended to anyone  :-[
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #26 on: 25 March 2016, 13:56:44 »

I'll just run WIN 7 on my old machine till it dies and then buy a new one with WIN 10 pre installed. No dramas.
I don't have to worry about sneaky upgrades because it tells me my graphics won't support 10.
Crickey Uncle S, how old is it :o. Even my 8yr old PCs manage it fine (although desktop did need persuasions).

Win 7 is good til 2020 (although in another ploy to get people to migrate, won't support new hardware), although now with Win 10 I'm hoping my machines will last longer now (as, TBH, they are fast enough).
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #27 on: 25 March 2016, 14:52:26 »

Oppps, sounds like a rant  :-[

Frustration, maybe, that when the developers give a simple procedure for something, users feel the need to ignore it and dream up another way (that would clearly never work) and moan that it doesn't.

No malice or offence intended to anyone  :-[
As a consumer I haven't seen anything that resembles a 'simple procedure' from Microsoft for anything (let alone preventing the Win10 install.)

MS do seem to support big customers OK and presumably inform them of randomly named keys that they can add to domain policies to force things on to the PCs on the domain. Presumably consumers could do the same (using GPE?) to their home PCs but that isn't going to work for 90% of home users. What is required is a soft sales campaign to end users explaining what Microsoft are hoping to achieve and some honest explanation of what will actually happen if you do install it. They then need a 'user interface' to allow the user to manage the process (including various levels of opt out eg not today/not until next patch/not ever) not an automatic update system with a series of cryptic numbers and meaningless descriptions
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #28 on: 25 March 2016, 15:31:21 »

I'll just run WIN 7 on my old machine till it dies and then buy a new one with WIN 10 pre installed. No dramas.
I don't have to worry about sneaky upgrades because it tells me my graphics won't support 10.
Crickey Uncle S, how old is it :o. Even my 8yr old PCs manage it fine (although desktop did need persuasions).

Win 7 is good til 2020 (although in another ploy to get people to migrate, won't support new hardware), although now with Win 10 I'm hoping my machines will last longer now (as, TBH, they are fast enough).
It's about 8 years old, one of those out-of-the-box thingies from PC World. It was running really slow so, as the lad now has his laptop and we both have gaypads, I did a factory reset on it and just use it when necessary now. Runs pretty good with fick all on it.  ;D
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Re: piggin windows 10 message
« Reply #29 on: 25 March 2016, 16:18:17 »

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As a consumer I haven't seen anything that resembles a 'simple procedure' from Microsoft for anything (let alone preventing the Win10 install.)
Same here. I just want a "simple procedure", meaning in laymans terms, just how to stop Windows installing Win 10 on my desktop.
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