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[korum]

Just seen this on my facebook feed and wondered who is at fault for this.

https://www.facebook.com/tom.t.casey/videos/1012296805550933/

[STEMO]

Neither of them was driving very sensibly, were they? The car appeared to be tailgating and the bike was too close to the car. Technically, I guess the car driver was at fault for pulling out but, if you're gonna ride a bike in that manner, it's only a matter of time before you're doing 60 on your arse.

[Bigron]

The video didn't oprn.....

Ron.

[Nick W]

Simple: both of them.


Neither needed to overtake, and both did it badly. They were too close to each other and the vehicle they were passing, the bike was poorly positioned from the start of the maneuver for the car driver to see, if he even bothered to look.


None of that excuses the car driver leaving the scene.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Fault of the car driver.

The bike rider was well into the overtake before the car pulled out.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Fault of the car driver.

The bike rider was well into the overtake before the car pulled out.

Yep! 

[Doctor Gollum]

Simple: both of them.


Neither needed to overtake, and both did it badly. They were too close to each other and the vehicle they were passing, the bike was poorly positioned from the start of the maneuver for the car driver to see, if he even bothered to look.


None of that excuses the car driver leaving the scene.

Have to agree with most of that... But it is possible that the car driver wasn't aware that he hit anything... especially if he had music on/was focused on the road ahead/pissed off at having a bike right up his arse...

The way some people ride around here it's a miracle more don't die. Being able to do 0-60+ in a nano second seems to give bikers a sense of entitlement, so much so that they go launching themselves in to all sorts of stupid situations of which this is a classic example.

Glad the bloke isn't dead, so he can hopefully learn from it.

Only issue with the car driver is leaving the scene, but they have a window to report it.

Talking of which, reporting original link as the comments aren't fit for general consumption

[Kevin Wood]

As a car driver, knowing I've got a couple of bikes following me, I'd be expecting them to use the next overtaking opportunity and I'd be VERY careful before doing so myself. Assuming he'd noticed the bikes following him, of course.

As said, though, both were following too close, which led to a rushed manoeuvre on both counts, probably without the required mirror checks and signalling first.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The bike wasn't right up his arse. Biker did nothing wrong. Car driver needs shooting. Didn't bother checking behind before pulling out, and nearly killed someone.
As for leaving the scene. He needs shooting again for doing that. Your supposed to stop if anyone is injured. The biker must have had some sort of injuries, however minor, and for all the driver knew he might have been dead.

[Mr Gav]

As a car driver, knowing I've got a couple of bikes following me, I'd be expecting them to use the next overtaking opportunity and I'd be VERY careful before doing so myself. Assuming he'd noticed the bikes following him, of course.

As said, though, both were following too close, which led to a rushed manoeuvre on both counts, probably without the required mirror checks and signalling first.

I agree with you there Kevin, I used to ride bikes so I always watch out for them, if I have one sat on my shoulder then I pull over slightly to let them past, I always like them to overtake first before I go as they have far better acceleration.
I`ll gamble that the car driver didn`t use his/her rear view or wing mirror at any point in that manouvre.

I had someone do the same thing to me years ago, I was in my car at the time overtaking another car and the daft t*@t just pulled out and started overtaking the car in front while I was along side 
Fortunately nothing was coming the other way and the road was wide enough for me to pull further over.

[Lazydocker]

Didn't see indicators used by either party. Car driver was completely oblivious to the bike.

But I've got to question if there has been anything else earlier in the ride that we haven't seen

Oh... And both car and biker look like they were exceeding the speed limit

[Steve B]

Didn't see indicators used by either party. Car driver was completely oblivious to the bike.

But I've got to question if there has been anything else earlier in the ride that we haven't seen

Oh... And both car and biker look like they were exceeding the speed limit

I wondered about that one too 

[Mister Rog]

I remember years ago a boss telling me that there is no such thing as "Accidents", there is always a cause. If there is a cause then it is not an "accident".

This looks to me like competitive driving, by both. Or stupid driving, by both.

The bike should not be so close or so fast, unless it was some unlikely life or death situation

The car was either being bloody minded or unobservant, but in either event the bike should be considering that possibility.

There is too much emphasis on "who's fault" these days. Every road user has a responsibility to be safe and to engage in defensive driving. By defensive I mean always thinking "what if". This is an incredibly boring driving style, but you stay alive.
 

[Bigron]

At last I have managed to view that clip!
Since the road is clearly marked "SLOW", which indicates a need for caution due to a hazard ahead, should either of them bave contemplated overtaking there?

Ron.

[Lazydocker]

At last I have managed to view that clip!
Since the road is clearly marked "SLOW", which indicates a need for caution due to a hazard ahead, should either of them bave contemplated overtaking there?

Ron.

Exactly the point Ron. I suspect that there was something else going on earlier in the journey.