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Article 50
« on: 03 November 2016, 10:50:51 »

The High Court has decreed that there must be a vote in Parliament before the Government can invoke Article 50.   ::)

Given that something like 95% of MP's voted to have the referendum in the first place, will they respect the will of the people or is it the first stage of the Establishment stitch up to keep Britain in the EU?  ???

Sterling is up and the FSTE is down on the news.  More uncertainty!  ::)
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« Reply #1 on: 03 November 2016, 10:56:43 »

I'm past caring, another saga that's gonna drag on for years with, probably, a half-arsed compromise at the end of it.
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #2 on: 03 November 2016, 11:45:07 »

The last fight of a desperate establishment. I might respect them slightly if they were honest enough to admit that they are trying to stop Brexit from happening.
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #3 on: 03 November 2016, 11:55:54 »

The last fight of a desperate establishment. I might respect them slightly if they were honest enough to admit that they are trying to stop Brexit from happening.



Politian's   :o
You having a giggle   ::) ::)
 
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« Reply #4 on: 03 November 2016, 11:58:21 »

I'm past caring, another saga that's gonna drag on for years with, probably, a half-arsed compromise at the end of it.

Yep.
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #5 on: 03 November 2016, 12:29:09 »

There is an inbuilt majority of 'remainers' in the house of commons.

Would they dare to vote that way after the people have already decided to leave?

I very much doubt it.
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #6 on: 03 November 2016, 13:14:46 »

What will be interesting is how many MP's who voted for the referendum in the first place and whose constituents voted to leave the EU, will vote against invoking Article 50.  ::)
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #7 on: 03 November 2016, 13:25:38 »

What will be interesting is how many MP's who voted for the referendum in the first place and whose constituents voted to leave the EU, will vote against invoking Article 50.  ::)

Those that do may well be lynched.

Politicians are employed to represent the will of their constituents.
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #8 on: 03 November 2016, 13:27:35 »

To me the crux of the issue is that the government (the same government that we have now) sent a written statement to every household in the land saying that "The Government will implement the decision". I see that as a contract between the people and the government. Furthermore, that statement unambiguously implied that the referendum was not "advisory".

Make no bones about it, whether you are a Brexiteer or Remainer, this judgement shows that the unelected judiciary has placed itself above the government and above us, the people. It is an out-and-out assault on democracy.  >:( >:(     
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #9 on: 03 November 2016, 13:28:03 »

What will be interesting is how many MP's who voted for the referendum in the first place and whose constituents voted to leave the EU, will vote against invoking Article 50.  ::)

Those that do may well be lynched.

Politicians are employed to represent the will of their constituents.

You and I might think that M'Lud, but I think that a significant amount of politicians elected or not think otherwise.  ::) >:(
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« Reply #10 on: 03 November 2016, 13:30:07 »

The irony of this affair is not wasted on me. Most observers agreed that the leave vote was mainly based on immigration and the woman who brought this case to law is a Guyanan immigrant.
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #11 on: 03 November 2016, 13:36:04 »

Anna Soubry the Tory MP for Broxtowe in Nottinghamshire is a case in point.  A majority of her constituents voted to leave the EU (54.6%) and yet she has been doing the rounds of the TV sofas telling anyone who will listen her negative views on BREXIT.  ::)
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #12 on: 03 November 2016, 13:46:48 »

I just wish the vote had been more definitive. 52% to 48% was always going to open a can of worms.

It is easy to dismiss a few thousand malcontents but not so easy to give a 'f**k you' to 16 million remainers/remoaners.

Either way there will be be tears before bedtime.
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« Reply #13 on: 03 November 2016, 13:59:11 »

I just wish the vote had been more definitive. 52% to 48% was always going to open a can of worms.

It is easy to dismiss a few thousand malcontents but not so easy to give a 'f**k you' to 16 million remainers/remoaners.

Either way they'll be tears before bedtime.
Isn't there always? It's the same with the American election, that will probably be 50.1 v 49.9 or something similar. One party will get a majority in the senate, and the other in the House of Representatives, so ensues another four years of sweet FA.
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Re: Article 50
« Reply #14 on: 03 November 2016, 16:02:48 »

What i have seen is post the referendum result my facebook has been

from those who voted Exit : "Cool, we won, right, who's for a pint, ooh, got the kids to get off to school..."
from those who voted Remain: "NOOO!!! ARRGH!!! My face hurts! Jesus all these Jeremy Kyle Racist guests have voted to kill all immigrants!! Every who voted exit YOU have destoyed the country!! Racism didn't exist until today! "

and similar knee-jerking over-reactions...

now this has come about ...

from those who voted Exit: "Hey guys, anyone seen this vid with a funny dog?... Got my Poppy today... Ooh, that Len off Strictly is on the radio..."
from those who voted Remain: "Ahahahaaaaa!!!! Ner ner ne nerrr nerrrr!! The High Court are vetoing it, common sense prevails! You see, all you scummy great unwashed can shove it. Honestly, I passionately support Democratic process... but only when it votes in favour of what I want, obviously."

Brexiters don't care, they're happy to get on with their lives, the Remainers seem to be grasping for...anything, really. :(


This, I am hoping is not a typical cross-section of how voters/ the populous are behaving. One woman in particular has been getting my goat a bit, with pretty nasty comments about Leavers and the suggestions that anyone who voted Exit is racist, and anyone who voted Remain is some kind of enlightened Illuminati.

NO issue with those on here, or indeed anywhere who voted either way, I sincerely hope this is just a pattern in my circle of acquaintances..
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