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[LC0112G]

But both parties to the case have asserted that once Article 50 has been invoked the process of leaving the EU is irreversible. Therefore, invoking Art50 is absolutely bound to trigger a change in UK law......

Yes this is true, but my point which I think our learned M'lud Justices have missed or ignored is that Article 50 itself doesn't change the law.  It's the first stage of a process that will change the law, but ultimately the repeal of the European Communities Act is the point at which the law will change and that is what requires the parliamentary process! 

That's my layman's take anyway! 

I always knew I was in the wrong job! Who do you see about becoming a M'lud Justice? 

But - if the process is irreversible, invoking Art50 will remove rights from UK subjects no-matter what. In 2 years time we'd be out and the rights granted to UK subjects would no longer be enforceable. So Invoking Art50 does change UK law - not immediately but within 2 years time. That cannot be linked to a 'promise' to incorporate all current EU laws/directives into UK law at some undefined point in the future, since it may or may not happen.

[Sir Tigger KC]

But - if the process is irreversible, invoking Art50 will remove rights from UK subjects no-matter what. In 2 years time we'd be out and the rights granted to UK subjects would no longer be enforceable. So Invoking Art50 does change UK law - not immediately but within 2 years time. That cannot be linked to a 'promise' to incorporate all current EU laws/directives into UK law at some undefined point in the future, since it may or may not happen.

Sorry I don't agree that Article 50 changes the law, it's part of the process yes, but it will be the repeal of the European Communities Act that actually changes the law.

Surely as you've pointed out its a point of law. Article 50 is merely a formal notice of intent, however as it's irreversible it's bound to lead to a change in the law and the Judges should have focused on the actual point at which the law will change.

I don't think this decision is as black and white as you say, and as Albs said earlier is down to interpretation of the law and we could argue till the cows come home. 

What a humiliation though if the Supreme Court refer this to the ECJ!! 

[Rods2]

The longer the remoaners try to put off the inevitable, the weaker they will become, as we saw yesterday in Scotland, where the Conservatives won two council bi-election seats with a Jimmy Krankie SNP loss, along with a Nick 'don't touch my £100k EU pension' Clegg in the other, what we are told it is the stay in the EU at all costs land Scotland. Like remoaners, Jimmy Krankie is also being found out where she is over playing her hand.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The act of invoking article 50, is to terminate the treaties which have bound us into the position we are currently in, as members of the EU.

No, invoking Article 50 is merely giving formal notice to the European Council that a member state wishes to leave the EU and starts the clock ticking on a 2 year period in which to negotiate a withdrawal agreement between that state and the EU.  Treaties will cease to apply on the date of that agreement or if no agreement is concluded, then on the 2nd anniversary of the invokation of Article 50.

So given that Invoking Article 50 doesn't in itself change any domestic law, there is no need for a debate or vote in Parliament. As you rightly point out it is the repeal of the European Communities Act 1972 which will change the law and this will quite properly be debated and voted on in both House's of Parliament. 

I'll say it again, the High Court decision is part of a grand establishment stitch up! 

Agreed. I missed out the words "giving notice" in my first sentence. 
Invoking article 50 wont change any laws, domestic or otherwise. We are adopting all EU law when we leave, with the intention of changing the law after we have left. So the courts should have no jurisdiction until it is certain that domestic law is to be changed.
If this isn't an attempt to block the will of the people, why didn't this woman go to court when the Govt. sent a leaflet to every household saying that they would implement by the result of the referendum ?
To be honest, I think this will further widen the chasm between the political class / establishment / chattering classes and the people whom they are supposed to serve and represent.
It can only harm their positions in the long run.

[aaronjb]

Everyone seems to think that the MPs will "vote with the will of the people" lest they be out of a job in 2020 .. but do they really care? When you work in a revolving door establishment you know you'll be back in a few years.

This is England, there'll be a couple of days of riots in London and we'll all go back to supping our tea.

[Doctor Gollum]

The 1% will ALWAYS resent the fact that the 99% have 99 times the number of votes...

Constitutional reform is not a new concept... and sometimes it is the very person in charge who tries to address the shortcomings of the status quo...

https://youtu.be/UwUL9tJmypI

[Doctor Gollum]

There's a brave new world out there, full of opportunity and potential. This is not something to be feared however much the 1% might protest otherwise and conspire and squirm to defend. They seek solely to preserve their interests, and their interests alone...

[tigers_gonads]

There's a brave new world out there, full of opportunity and potential. This is not something to be feared however much the 1% might protest otherwise and conspire and squirm to defend. They seek solely to preserve their interests, and their interests alone...

Spot on there Her Gollum 

Too many people in the country belong the Snowflake Generation   

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/generation-snowflake-how-we-train-our-kids-to-be-censorious-cry-babies/

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

There's a brave new world out there, full of opportunity and potential. This is not something to be feared however much the 1% might protest otherwise and conspire and squirm to defend. They seek solely to preserve their interests, and their interests alone...

Spot on there Her Gollum 

Too many people in the country belong the Snowflake Generation   

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/generation-snowflake-how-we-train-our-kids-to-be-censorious-cry-babies/


There is some truth in this. We now have a generation of 'Kidults'

When I was seven or eight I would take two buses to school and thought nothing of it. Plenty of other kids did the same.

I would also go into the dentist alone (mother in waiting room) to have gas when I was a similar age.

Character building stuff.

[STEMO]

You could sum up that 'snowflake' article in one sentence. "it weren't like this when I were a lad". No, it wasn't, but things happened to kids then that went unreported or got brushed under the carpet. Dirty old bastards were just 'uncle georges' who were not to be left alone with your children and as for priests and the like, well, you daren't challenge one of those.
There were no immigrants to speak of, the Internet didn't exist and the media weren't obsessed with propagating fear at every opportunity. So....who got the raw deal, us or the kids we do our best to cherish?
And as for bullying, if you've ever been on the end of a concerted 'name calling' attack, like some of the kids who's parents can't afford the latest trainers, or are from a foreign country, then you'd know just how damaging that can be.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

You could sum up that 'snowflake' article in one sentence. "it weren't like this when I were a lad". No, it wasn't, but things happened to kids then that went unreported or got brushed under the carpet. Dirty old bastards were just 'uncle georges' who were not to be left alone with your children and as for priests and the like, well, you daren't challenge one of those.
There were no immigrants to speak of, the Internet didn't exist and the media weren't obsessed with propagating fear at every opportunity. So....who got the raw deal, us or the kids we do our best to cherish?
And as for bullying, if you've ever been on the end of a concerted 'name calling' attack, like some of the kids who's parents can't afford the latest trainers, or are from a foreign country, then you'd know just how damaging that can be.

Didn't that one come under 'sticks and stones may break my bones' back in the day?

[STEMO]

You could sum up that 'snowflake' article in one sentence. "it weren't like this when I were a lad". No, it wasn't, but things happened to kids then that went unreported or got brushed under the carpet. Dirty old bastards were just 'uncle georges' who were not to be left alone with your children and as for priests and the like, well, you daren't challenge one of those.
There were no immigrants to speak of, the Internet didn't exist and the media weren't obsessed with propagating fear at every opportunity. So....who got the raw deal, us or the kids we do our best to cherish?
And as for bullying, if you've ever been on the end of a concerted 'name calling' attack, like some of the kids who's parents can't afford the latest trainers, or are from a foreign country, then you'd know just how damaging that can be.

Didn't that one come under 'sticks and stones may break my bones' back in the day?

Probably, just another old fashioned attitude. To say that constant name calling and piss taking doesn't affect someone for the rest of their life, is to totally misunderstand the human psyche.

[tigers_gonads]

You could sum up that 'snowflake' article in one sentence. "it weren't like this when I were a lad". No, it wasn't, but things happened to kids then that went unreported or got brushed under the carpet. Dirty old bastards were just 'uncle georges' who were not to be left alone with your children and as for priests and the like, well, you daren't challenge one of those.
There were no immigrants to speak of, the Internet didn't exist and the media weren't obsessed with propagating fear at every opportunity. So....who got the raw deal, us or the kids we do our best to cherish?
And as for bullying, if you've ever been on the end of a concerted 'name calling' attack, like some of the kids who's parents can't afford the latest trainers, or are from a foreign country, then you'd know just how damaging that can be.

Everybody who is different from the top lad at school is picked on.
I never had all the latest clothes of trainers.
I got the piss ripped out of me on a daily basis.
I used to get chased home with the risk of a good kicking until I was about 13.
I burst through the back door to find my old man was home from work.
He looked at me then looked outside to see what seemed like half the school stood there gobbing off.
What did he do ?
He opened the back door and threw me out side and said "sort it"
Yes, I got the shit kicked out of me but i'll tell you one thing Stemo, I oppsing went down fighting and everyone of those oppsers had a range of injuries ranging from a bust nose to a fat lip and a black eye.

Did I need counselling or anti depressant's ?
Did I opps 
Did I get picked on again 
No I didn't and tbh, the cock of the school became my best mate too because I stood upto him and he respected it 

Kids nowdays are frightened of being frightened.
They cry and scream its not fair when they have a test to see if they are a thick shit or not.
They fall over and they need sympathy.
When I was a kid, I got told to stop been a baby and get up unless I had any broken bones then I got a trip to hospital were if I cried I was told to stop been a girl 

We all knew who the Uncle Georges were because we was street wise and we stuck together.
If a dirty old man tried it on, our parents went around there and sorted the perv out simples 
Were I came from, the only time you saw a priest was at a wedding, christening or funeral.
Poofs or weirdo's went to Sunday school   

[STEMO]

Yes...it's quite obvious that it never did you any harm 

[tigers_gonads]

Yes...it's quite obvious that it never did you any harm 

Why thank you kind sir 
Wanna be my therapist ?