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Re: Theresa or Jeremy?
« Reply #195 on: 26 April 2017, 18:05:56 »

I'm sticking my dick in the Labour box with STEMO, the tory's are just asset stripping to line their own and the uber classes pockets. To be working class in an inner city provides heart breaking sights at every turn. I also work in the NHS and whats happening is nigh on barbaric.

Labour are likely shit and full of bent characters but I have slightly more hope they can turn things around
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« Reply #196 on: 26 April 2017, 18:07:36 »

I'm sticking my dick in the Labour box with STEMO, the tory's are just asset stripping to line their own and the uber classes pockets. To be working class in an inner city provides heart breaking sights at every turn. I also work in the NHS and whats happening is nigh on barbaric.

Labour are likely shit and full of bent characters but I have slightly more hope they can turn things around
I don't think labour can win, Jon, but I don't think they'll suffer as badly as some make out.
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Re: Theresa or Jeremy?
« Reply #197 on: 26 April 2017, 18:13:13 »

I'm sticking my dick in the Labour box with STEMO, the tory's are just asset stripping to line their own and the uber classes pockets. To be working class in an inner city provides heart breaking sights at every turn. I also work in the NHS and whats happening is nigh on barbaric.

Labour are likely shit and full of bent characters but I have slightly more hope they can turn things around

Remember, you will be voting to have a PM who is a lifelong supporter of the IRA. I do not know how any British citizen could bring themselves to do that.
Also, the reason the NHS is short of money despite having a ring fenced budget, is the fact that the Last Labour Govt. saddled the NHS with eye watering debt, with payday loan interest rates, in the form of hospitals built under the PFI scheme.
The cynicism of this was breathtaking, and put to bed once and for all that they are a party that cares about the NHS and the people it treats.
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« Reply #198 on: 26 April 2017, 18:15:49 »

I'm sticking my dick in the Labour box with STEMO, the tory's are just asset stripping to line their own and the uber classes pockets. To be working class in an inner city provides heart breaking sights at every turn. I also work in the NHS and whats happening is nigh on barbaric.

Labour are likely shit and full of bent characters but I have slightly more hope they can turn things around

Remember, you will be voting to have a PM who is a lifelong supporter of the IRA. I do not know how any British citizen could bring themselves to do that.
Also, the reason the NHS is short of money despite having a ring fenced budget, is the fact that the Last Labour Govt. saddled the NHS with eye watering debt, with payday loan interest rates, in the form of hospitals built under the PFI scheme.
The cynicism of this was breathtaking, and put to bed once and for all that they are a party that cares about the NHS and the people it treats.
Labour may not be the party for you, Albs, but you don't live in inner city Liverpool.
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« Reply #199 on: 26 April 2017, 18:19:21 »

Im as working class as they come. Done manual work all my life until I could no longer physically do it. Grew up on the biggest council estate in Europe, was a TGWU shop steward etc. etc.
Doesn't matter who you are. If you have a conscience, how could you vote to have a lifelong IRA supporter as PM. It really astounds me that anyone could.
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« Reply #200 on: 26 April 2017, 18:21:52 »

Im as working class as they come. Done manual work all my life until I could no longer physically do it. Grew up on the biggest council estate in Europe, was a TGWU shop steward etc. etc.
Doesn't matter who you are. If you have a conscience, how could you vote to have a lifelong IRA supporter as PM. It really astounds me that anyone could.
WTF has that got to do with your situation now? Are you on benefits? Are you using a food bank? Are you disabled and living on a pittance? Have you had to put up with a less than 1% pay rise for five years? Are you a pensioner?
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« Reply #201 on: 26 April 2017, 18:23:55 »

Oh......and there are a lot of Irish Catholics in Liverpool.
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Re: Theresa or Jeremy?
« Reply #202 on: 26 April 2017, 18:56:45 »

The way voting has been going in recent elections/referendum I don't think anyone can afford to be complacent about the outcome.

By the way what's a pay rise?As a "one man band"I've had to cut costs to stay competitive with larger companies,so my income has in both real and actual terms fallen over the past 5yrs at least.It is a toss up as to whether I'd be better off on benefits,but I keep working out of pride/stupidity and stubbornness!
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« Reply #203 on: 26 April 2017, 19:57:34 »

The way voting has been going in recent elections/referendum I don't think anyone can afford to be complacent about the outcome.

By the way what's a pay rise?As a "one man band"I've had to cut costs to stay competitive with larger companies,so my income has in both real and actual terms fallen over the past 5yrs at least.It is a toss up as to whether I'd be better off on benefits,but I keep working out of pride/stupidity and stubbornness!

Well quite. There is a mindset with some that it an automatic right. How much rise this year ? Particularly in the public sector. A few years ago I had employees. I would never do that again. I won't start on adecdotes etc.



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« Reply #204 on: 27 April 2017, 03:12:53 »

During the noughties, Liebour were repeatedly warned, by economists, about their loose money policy and low interest rates policies, which would end in tears. An economic cycle since WWII is on average 42 months (we are well overdue a correction on the current long cycle, and Trump is about to deliver one. >:( >:( >:( :o :o :o). UK Government rules are that you can (Keynesian borrowing at the beginning of an economic cycle as long as it is paid back later in it). McRuin decided he could borrow, borrow, borrow, spend, spend, spend right the way through the economic cycle and to balance the cycle by extending it! :o :o :o This is like King Canute deciding when the tide will come in, for how long and how high. ie A total fool spouting a load of bollards. >:( >:(

We have paid the price since 2008 where the majority of wages have not recovered unless have a degree or are even higher educated. :( Society is increasingly being polarized into the well educated like Tunnie (well done, where he has developed his 'in-demand' skills) and those on a minimum wage. Those in manufacturing that were on minimum wage plus a bit were eliminated by a combination of Liebour increased taxes and tree hugger costs and mass migration, where the minimum wage is unheard of riches and you actually get paid, unlike in Eastern Europe! :( :(

If anybody thinks the way forward is a McRuin on steroids, beholden to unelected Marxist union leaders, well good luck with that one. >:( >:(

How well a country does is decided by the quality of the politicians and the decisions they make. South Korea, Singapore, Switzerland v North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela.

A vote in a democracy is a powerful decision in not only deciding who wins in our first past the post system, but also by how much which adds much legitimacy to their 'vision' for the country. Trump lost the popular vote, but won the electoral collage, which puts a question mark over his legitimacy by the trouble makers. ::) ::)

Education is the key and our low achievement Stalinist system and is a major cause of UK under-achievement. Grammar schools and improved social mobility are a step forward, but an even bigger one would be adopting a German style vocational system for those more suited to going into industry. We don't need a nation of brain surgeons, but a range of top skill who can compete internationally, earning the salaries they can globally command. A county's biggest asset is their human capital and we need to do much better in developing it and getting people 'to express themselves' by producing world class 'premium' products and services. :y :y :y
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« Reply #205 on: 27 April 2017, 04:51:14 »



So it's election and time once again the NHS becomes a political pawn. In my time I've voted for pretty much every political party at some stage. I also spent 9 years working in the NHS and then much of my working life supplying goods and services to the NHS. Some comments . . .

The amount of money wasted in the NHS verges on criminal. Vanity projects like "corporate branding" and spin. Exhorbitant rates for agency staff. Armies of overpaid managers who are excellent at Powerpoint presentations and corporate lingo, but not much else. I've even seen examples of equipment being bought that simply wasn't needed or ever used. Why ? Because it ticked a box and/or it looked good in PR.

PFI was not totally down to the Labour party, it was first used under the Tories. However it was Labour who permitted NHS trusts to sign up to the punitive PFI deals that will continue to cripple the NHS for years to come. I recall a certain Mr Brown smugly announcing that "funding had been approved" for yet another shiny new hospital, implying that the Government were paying. Nope, he had approved another PFI deal. As an aside, PFI hospitals are built to a budget, they are built only to last for the duration of the PFI contract, typically 30 - 35 years.

So NHS workers to get a pay rise funded by increased Corporation Tax. Hmmmm so when international companies are considering their European options regarding Brexit, there is the possibility of of a tax hike ? And, Europe has already warned Brexit bound UK about offering lower tax rates to attract inward investment. Ireland has not exactly done badly by having an attractive corporate tax system. And of course, international companies employ people. Non international companies just get screwed, they don't have the option of relocating, so they just cut back on investment.

The NHS pay rise claim by Labour is at best impractical, and at worst a downright lie. Hang on, let's give a pay rise to all education staff as well, and council workers, and civil servants. Anybody else in the public sector want one?

I don't disagree with everything that Labour/Corbyn is saying, but I disagree with far too much to attract my vote.




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« Reply #206 on: 27 April 2017, 10:59:59 »


Surprisingly, this was tweeted yesterday by an avid Labour supporter . . . . .




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« Reply #207 on: 30 April 2017, 22:10:16 »

So...Theresa wants to lose the triple lock and today refuses to rule out income tax and NI rises. Watch those polls narrow.
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« Reply #208 on: 01 May 2017, 08:08:57 »

I see Blair is now sticking his oar in to show us the error of our ways and help us out of the mess we've got ourselves in since he left No.10 :-X
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« Reply #209 on: 01 May 2017, 08:47:05 »

So...Theresa wants to lose the triple lock and today refuses to rule out income tax and NI rises. Watch those polls narrow.

Hmmm possible tax rises under the Tories or definite tax rises under Labour.  ::)
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