According to Autocar magazine.....

[Andy B]

Diesel? Dull?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/fastest-diesel-cars

I get why some people with little or no interest in cars go diesel. The main interest (usually the only interest such people have) is "how many miles will my car travel on one gallon of fuel"

To such people cars are 'white goods with wheels'. Functional, practical, worthy but dull. A means of getting from A to B.

What I  don't get is why anyone of sane mind would buy a 'performance diesel'

Why would a man spend £100,000+ on a Porsche Panamera  but then say to himself...... I'm happy to own a £100,0000 car that sounds like a cement mixer and has a redline of 4500 RPM provided as my car does 30 MPG instead of 20 MPG, and saves me a few hundred quid on road tax.

It just doesn't add up.

My main car is a diseasal.
It's crap on mpg .... low/mid 20s around town, I can get 30/32 on a (solo) motorway run & its top VED but it's a good tow car for my large twin axle caravan 

[Viral_Jim]

Interesting point, Jimmy.

However, I'm surprised people could be offered a Panamera of any description as a company car.

You must move in refined and affluent society.

A prol such as myself can only dream of  being so fortunate.

For the head cods at our place the rules are:
- no convertibles
- no 2 door cars unless a 4 door version of the same exists eg. No 911s but 6 series coupe would be ok
- no car above a certain CO2 band (not sure what)

Favourites are Panameras (2-3 of them), that big Maserati with the awful interior (2-3), 1 Range Rover and at least 2 Tesla.

I was offered a selection of dismal vehicles, the best (and I use the word extremely loosely) being a 1.6tdi Audi A3. . So took cash instead.

[henryd]

Diesel? Dull?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/fastest-diesel-cars

I get why some people with little or no interest in cars go diesel. The main interest (usually the only interest such people have) is "how many miles will my car travel on one gallon of fuel"

To such people cars are 'white goods with wheels'. Functional, practical, worthy but dull. A means of getting from A to B.

What I  don't get is why anyone of sane mind would buy a 'performance diesel'

Why would a man spend £100,000+ on a Porsche Panamera  but then say to himself...... I'm happy to own a £100,0000 car that sounds like a cement mixer and has a redline of 4500 RPM provided as my car does 30 MPG instead of 20 MPG, and saves me a few hundred quid on road tax.

It just doesn't add up.

My main car is a diseasal.
It's crap on mpg .... low/mid 20s around town, I can get 30/32 on a (solo) motorway run & its top VED but it's a good tow car for my large twin axle caravan 

Our main is a diesel too,my old disco v8 was I thought a good towcar,the Touareg with half the capacity and an auto box would pull the landrover in half and does about twice as many to the gallon,hmmm,difficult  choice int it

[zirk]

This probably explains why our Finace director swapped his gorgeous Aston DB9 (?) for a hideous Panamera Diesel. 
Doesn't make sense to me either, but there you go.
The man bought a house for almost a million quid, then promptly had it demolished and built another house where it stood, just because he liked the plot of land it was on. 

Sounds like He's got Ownership issues.

[aaronjb]

Interesting point, Jimmy.

However, I'm surprised people could be offered a Panamera of any description as a company car.

You must move in refined and affluent society.

A prol such as myself can only dream of  being so fortunate.

For the head cods at our place the rules are:
- no convertibles
- no 2 door cars unless a 4 door version of the same exists eg. No 911s but 6 series coupe would be ok
- no car above a certain CO2 band (not sure what)

Favourites are Panameras (2-3 of them), that big Maserati with the awful interior (2-3), 1 Range Rover and at least 2 Tesla.

I was offered a selection of dismal vehicles, the best (and I use the word extremely loosely) being a 1.6tdi Audi A3. . So took cash instead.

I was about to say - the rules explain the Maseratis in the car park.. (Which I thought were Quattroportes, but I could be wrong)

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Interesting point, Jimmy.

However, I'm surprised people could be offered a Panamera of any description as a company car.

You must move in refined and affluent society.

A prol such as myself can only dream of  being so fortunate.

For the head cods at our place the rules are:
- no convertibles
- no 2 door cars unless a 4 door version of the same exists eg. No 911s but 6 series coupe would be ok
- no car above a certain CO2 band (not sure what)

Favourites are Panameras (2-3 of them), that big Maserati with the awful interior (2-3), 1 Range Rover and at least 2 Tesla.

I was offered a selection of dismal vehicles, the best (and I use the word extremely loosely) being a 1.6tdi Audi A3. . So took cash instead.

I was about to say - the rules explain the Maseratis in the car park.. (Which I thought were Quattroportes, but I could be wrong)

When I was young a 'company car' took the form of an elderly MK1 Escort van complete with a grey primer wing and door.

As for a Maserati, I would have needed to choose between a Bora or a Khamsin.

[Kevin Wood]

As for a Maserati, I would have needed to choose between a Bora or a Khamsin.

Now we're talking.

[Keith ABS]

  Would have to be the Quattroporte for me
But, would love one of those new Alfa saloons of which the mane escapes me.
Rated as better than the M3
But I would rate a Yugo as better than an M3 myself

Keith ABS

[YZ250]

  Would have to be the Quattroporte for me
But, would love one of those new Alfa saloons of which the mane escapes me.
Rated as better than the M3
But I would rate a Yugo as better than an M3 myself

Keith ABS

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio

[tunnie]

Diesel? Dull?

https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/fastest-diesel-cars

I get why some people with little or no interest in cars go diesel. The main interest (usually the only interest such people have) is "how many miles will my car travel on one gallon of fuel"

To such people cars are 'white goods with wheels'. Functional, practical, worthy but dull. A means of getting from A to B.

What I  don't get is why anyone of sane mind would buy a 'performance diesel'

Sane mine? Is this genuine or just pi$$ taking? 

For me, I am strongly looking at a performance diesel, as I want 6 cylinders and RWD. Take the diesel XF-S with 3.0d lump, currently my ideal choice to replace the 3.2. (Maybe XJ 3.0d)

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8. But that means huge price tag difference as it's XF-R not XF-S, I cannot afford the difference. This is the key issue, the alternative petrol version in 2008-15 era are not there for second hand market. It *has* to be a diesel, this may change in around 5 years, as the current low VED and more choice of petrols, filter down to second hand market.

Secondly, VED. All big petrols of this vintage, until very recently carry the £500+ VED. The performance diesel XF is no more than my current 3.2 petrol for VED.

Then there is MPG, I could expect mid to high 30's out of an XF 3.0d, maybe even into the 40's as you've seen. Compare that to sub 20mpg of XF-R. I currently only do around 6-7k per year now, but that could very easily change to 12k-13k, so I would need flexibility of better MPG on a replacement.

So some very good reasons to pick a diesel. 

[Viral_Jim]

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm probably not the right person to consult about a 'sane mind' because I pay £46.81 each month to tax the mighty Signum......exactly the same as I pay for the Jag.

An average mileage 2013 XFR can be had for around £25000 which is cheaper than a new Mondeo/Insignia. Servicing costs can be kept reasonable if the Jaguar 3+ servicing plan is used.

Fuel consumption may be 'slightly inferior' to the XFS diesel.

[STEMO]

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1

I'd leave that particular one alone. Four previous owners and an MOT due in a few weeks. If they were serious about a sale, they would get it MOT'd.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

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Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1

That looks tidy for a 10 year old car. Relatively low miles as well.

More importantly it runs on petrol just as the good lord intended.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Is there a petrol option? No. I'd have to go for your XF-R for petrol engine, of that age. There is no 3.0 V6 petrol, it would *have* to be the V8.

Actually, there is, its the 240bhp lump out of the S-type, they didn't make many and they're not what you'd call fast, or popular, but they can be had for about £8k. Also, it depends on the age range you're looking at, I think they dropped it when they moved to 3.0D from the 2.7.

*Michael Caine voice* "Not a lot of people know that"

EDIT: They're actually cheaper than I thought!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802093580056?maximum-badge-engine-size=3.0&radius=1500&model=XF&postcode=ox279bn&make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1

I'd leave that particular one alone. Four previous owners and an MOT due in a few weeks. If they were serious about a sale, they would get it MOT'd.

You may be right .......or it could be that it's for sale following a death and they just want it gone.