Big vote tomorrow.

[Rods2]

The reason it is a mess is because you have a remainer PM & MP majority determined to keep us in the EU. May's deal is deliberately so awful & locks us permanently into its crippling terms with the backstop so we are a vassal state at the mercy of the Brussels' dictatorship with no say on what they impose and we have to make a £39bn reparations downpayment for nothing. The deal also includes them taking control of our armed forces & what equipment they can procure.

The last time the French imposed such damning terms was at the Treaty of Versailles and it lead to the rise of Fascism, Hitler & WWII. May's BRINO deal will do the same, if passed, as the only way we can escape these terms in this international treaty will be through politics by other means, which is war. I would prefer my children & grandchildren not to be part of another decimated generation, but I don't see any other get out. As usual it will be us, the normal citizens, that will pay the price of the establishment's folly & personal EU enrichment at our expense.

UKIP has already been hijacked by the far right, so that is your new fascist party, Labour is your far left Marxist one & May is destroying her nasty party, where many people, including me, will never vote for them again. Corbyn's Marxist party now has a 3% lead in the polls. To date we have kept the far left & right parties as minorities but not anymore if BRINO happens. 17.4m Leavers voters who are being ignored by the establishment again and many will take direct action like the French Yellow Jackets until they aren't ignored.

A moderate senior Tory party member said Brexit was a safely valve where no UK political party now represents the working class & they have seen their wages & working conditions hammered through a combination of mass migration & globalization. Where their vote is ignored by the politicians they are now directly shouting at them like calling Soubry a Nazi & if they are still ignored civil disobedience and worse are next. Personally, I've never known such a large section of the electorate to be so angry even the attempted imposition of the Poll Tax was not as bad and we know what happened there.

So if the Remainers succeed in destroying UK democracy by ignoring a clear mandate from 17.4m leavers & handing control of the UK to Brussels so we are a province of the new German empire, we are not going to shrug our shoulders & say that's alright then. May & her grey suits are playing with fire.

[Andy H]

The reason it is a mess is because you have a remainer PM & MP majority determined to keep us in the EU. May's deal is deliberately so awful & locks us permanently into its crippling terms with the backstop so we are a vassal state at the mercy of the Brussels' dictatorship with no say on what they impose and we have to make a £39bn reparations downpayment for nothing. The deal also includes them taking control of our armed forces & what equipment they can procure.

The last time the French imposed such damning terms was at the Treaty of Versailles and it lead to the rise of Fascism, Hitler & WWII. May's BRINO deal will do the same, if passed, as the only way we can escape these terms in this international treaty will be through politics by other means, which is war. I would prefer my children & grandchildren not to be part of another decimated generation, but I don't see any other get out. As usual it will be us, the normal citizens, that will pay the price of the establishment's folly & personal EU enrichment at our expense.

UKIP has already been hijacked by the far right, so that is your new fascist party, Labour is your far left Marxist one & May is destroying her nasty party, where many people, including me, will never vote for them again. Corbyn's Marxist party now has a 3% lead in the polls. To date we have kept the far left & right parties as minorities but not anymore if BRINO happens. 17.4m Leavers voters who are being ignored by the establishment again and many will take direct action like the French Yellow Jackets until they aren't ignored.

A moderate senior Tory party member said Brexit was a safely valve where no UK political party now represents the working class & they have seen their wages & working conditions hammered through a combination of mass migration & globalization. Where their vote is ignored by the politicians they are now directly shouting at them like calling Soubry a Nazi & if they are still ignored civil disobedience and worse are next. Personally, I've never known such a large section of the electorate to be so angry even the attempted imposition of the Poll Tax was not as bad and we know what happened there.

So if the Remainers succeed in destroying UK democracy by ignoring a clear mandate from 17.4m leavers & handing control of the UK to Brussels so we are a province of the new German empire, we are not going to shrug our shoulders & say that's alright then. May & her grey suits are playing with fire.

Maybe, just maybe, she is playing for time. Like a rugby match at 75 minutes she just needs to maintain the status quo and avoid going into extra time to deliver the brexit that the majority voted for.....

[Varche]

Cannot see May delivering anything that fits " leave the EU"

Saw something on TV that said turnaround day had been reached . I.e. old codger voters ( typically leave)  had died and been replaced by youngsters ( typically remain ) reaching voting age. So wait for say another ten years and a vote would statistically be for remain.

I have a strong suspicion that you are right Rods2 , if the Remain MP minority manage to overturn the majority people vote that violence will be the outcome.  Then people will be shocked and not able to understand why?

[Kevin Wood]

Cannot see May delivering anything that fits " leave the EU"

Problem is, that means different things to different people.

May seems to have interpreted it as "stop free movement and let us make our own trade deals".

Others would probably be happy for free movement and trade to carry on as before but to bail us out of the "ever closer integration" conveyor belt towards a federal Europe.

... or somewhere in-between.

A full-on shitstorm no-deal is probably the only thing that would satisfy all leavers. Anything else and we may as well remain.  The number of people it won't satisfy is probably about the same in each case!

[aaronjb]

Don't worry everyone, she's going to remove the backstop from the deal.

Nobody has any idea how she's going to persuade the EU to do that, but that's what she's going to do.

Meanwhile, the IRA have resurfaced and started blowing things up again.

[Doctor Gollum]

Don't worry everyone, she's going to remove the backstop from the deal.

Nobody has any idea how she's going to persuade the EU to do that, but that's what she's going to do.

Meanwhile, the IRA have resurfaced and started blowing things up again.

Stoopid is as Stoopid does

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The timing was very convenient. 
Could Varadkar have sent out a request ?  ..................Not as far fetched as you might think.
In the late 60,s  there was civil unrest in Norn Irn and it became known that the IRA were talking about reforming after a long break. The leader of the republic at the time (Jack Lynch) got a message to them that if they started things off, he would then use it as "an excuse" to send the Irish army into the North, invade it overnight and snatch it back from the Brits before they knew what hit them.
Greatly spurred on by this they started their campaign, only to find that when it came to it, he lost his bottle. The rest, as they say, is history.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

It's possible a 'no deal brexit' could be taken off the table at some point. Which, in effect, means there can not be a brexit worth it's name.

[Sir Tigger KC]

It's possible a 'no deal brexit' could be taken off the table at some point. Which, in effect, means there can not be a brexit worth it's name.

I don't see how MP's can stop No Deal. 

Yes they can have a vote to register their displeasure and maybe this amendment to change the way Parliament works that Dominic Grievance is bringing forward may make it possible for Parliament to change the legislation that we leave on the 29th March. 

However, under the terms of Article 50, EU Treaties will cease to apply once the 2 year period is up, ie 29th March.  This is EU law which is superior to UK law. 

So the only way to avoid No Deal as I see it is to either revoke A50 entirely or to persuade the 27 other EU countries to allow us to extend the A50 period and the difficulty with that is the EU Parliament elections in May. 

[tigers_gonads]

Always the case with the real people who run this country and the people who masquerade at members of parliament




That was a reply to Lord Opti by the way

[Sir Tigger KC]

Always the case with the real people who run this country and the people who masquerade at members of parliament




That was a reply to Lord Opti by the way

Yes Lord Opti is a naughty Peer, who spends more time on here and chasing the maid than sitting in the Lords! 

[STEMO]

Always the case with the real people who run this country and the people who masquerade at members of parliament




That was a reply to Lord Opti by the way

Yes Lord Opti is a naughty Peer, who spends more time on here and chasing the maid than sitting in the Lords! 

Bet he still claims his £300 a day. Probably gets the butler to sign in for him.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Always the case with the real people who run this country and the people who masquerade at members of parliament




That was a reply to Lord Opti by the way

Yes Lord Opti is a naughty Peer, who spends more time on here and chasing the maid than sitting in the Lords! 

Bet he still claims his £300 a day. Probably gets the butler to sign in for him.

I expect he gets the Chauffeur to drive the Signum down to Westminster, so the Butler can sign in and claims the mileage allowance for the Jag!    

[STEMO]

Always the case with the real people who run this country and the people who masquerade at members of parliament




That was a reply to Lord Opti by the way

Yes Lord Opti is a naughty Peer, who spends more time on here and chasing the maid than sitting in the Lords! 

Bet he still claims his £300 a day. Probably gets the butler to sign in for him.

I expect he gets the Chauffeur to drive the Signum down to Westminster, so the Butler can sign in and claims the mileage allowance for the Jag!    

Bastard! 

[aaronjb]

So the only way to avoid No Deal as I see it is to either revoke A50 entirely

Which is exactly what will happen on March 28th, 23:59:59.