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On the subject of Police Officers...
« on: 21 August 2008, 21:55:03 »

... we're just about to get 6,000 more of them  ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7572259.stm

Government money well spent, for once :y
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #1 on: 21 August 2008, 21:57:16 »

Good news !!  Far better than PCSO's ( with all due respect to them).
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #2 on: 21 August 2008, 21:58:54 »

PCSOs do a very worthwhile job in terms of community engagement and feeding back critical information to Safer Neighbourhood Teams, but fact remains they are still not sworn officers, so they are sometimes limited in what they can do in sticky situations..  :-/
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #3 on: 21 August 2008, 22:07:08 »

sisters boyfriend is a CSO and he's a great lad but he does get to eat a lot of kebabs ::)
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #4 on: 21 August 2008, 22:12:33 »

There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d  get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #5 on: 21 August 2008, 22:14:07 »

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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d  get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

PCSO's don't have powers of arrest (Apart from any person powers, eg citizens arrest, which are held by any Civillian).
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« Reply #6 on: 21 August 2008, 22:17:56 »

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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d  get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D


Sisters boyfriend had real trouble getting in - passed all the test with flying colours (for Gloucester const) but then he didn't quite fit the 'profile' they were looking for to fulfill their ethnicity quota >:(
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #7 on: 21 August 2008, 22:19:59 »

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PCSOs do a very worthwhile job in terms of community engagement and feeding back critical information to Safer Neighbourhood Teams, but fact remains they are still not sworn officers, so they are sometimes limited in what they can do in sticky situations..  :-/


I agree they do a worthwhile job -- within their remit. I do, however, question their operational value. A Special, with full powers and decent training is often a better liason twixt community and Police. They generally live in the communities they serve and can get better intel as the local butcher than any "accepted" PCSO, who are often just paid lip service.

I feel the money spent on PCSO's is far better utilised in recruiting Specials or Regulars who can do the full job ( sufficiently trained and resourced of course).

PCSO's are a sort of "inbetween", and could easily get out of their depth with today's "characters", who have scant respect for those who can enforce the law, let alone those who get stuck in the middle without adequate powers or training.


But -- don't mind me -- I am a moaning old git living in the 70's  :D
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #8 on: 21 August 2008, 22:20:03 »

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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d  get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D


Sisters boyfriend had real trouble getting in - passed all the test with flying colours (for Gloucester const) but then he didn't quite fit the 'profile' they were looking for to fulfill their ethnicity quota >:(

Any idea which division/INA he's based in?
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #9 on: 21 August 2008, 22:24:43 »

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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d  get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D


Sisters boyfriend had real trouble getting in - passed all the test with flying colours (for Gloucester const) but then he didn't quite fit the 'profile' they were looking for to fulfill their ethnicity quota >:(

Any idea which division/INA he's based in?


No sorry, still lives in Hereford and works in Leominster (watch out Dan) why you wanna know hey? ::)
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
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There is a job advert in the local evening paper for pcso`s in the wednesbury area of the west mids tonight 6 weeks training down london(hendon i presume) and a basic salary of £21,000....I wish i had the temperment for the job i`d apply but i dont think i`d  get in cause i`d want to arrest everbody who did the smallest things wrong....just call me DREDD....JUDGE DREDD....Twenty years creep for dropping a crisp packet.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D


Sisters boyfriend had real trouble getting in - passed all the test with flying colours (for Gloucester const) but then he didn't quite fit the 'profile' they were looking for to fulfill their ethnicity quota >:(

Any idea which division/INA he's based in?


No sorry, still lives in Hereford and works in Leominster (watch out Dan) why you wanna know hey? ::)

Just so I make sure I behave myself ;)
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #11 on: 21 August 2008, 22:27:15 »

Powers of arrest: The powers of arrest you may use under section 24a of pace 1984,as ammended by section 110 of SOCPA 2005.section 24a pace are as follows:
24a arrest without warrant:other persons
(1) a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant -
(a) anyone who is in the act of commiting an indictable offence
(b)anyone whom he/she has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be commiting an indictable offence.
Indictable offences any crime that is judged in a crown court...
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #12 on: 21 August 2008, 22:28:30 »

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Powers of arrest: The powers of arrest you may use under section 24a of pace 1984,as ammended by section 110 of SOCPA 2005.section 24a pace are as follows:
24a arrest without warrant:other persons
(1) a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant -
(a) anyone who is in the act of commiting an indictable offence
(b)anyone whom he/she has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be commiting an indictable offence.
Indictable offences any crime that is judged in a crown court...

Yes - those are the "any person" powers of arrest..
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« Reply #13 on: 21 August 2008, 22:32:28 »

Cor blimey i cant beleive i remembered all that from memory...I must of been awake during that SIA training  ;D ;D
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Re: On the subject of Police Officers...
« Reply #14 on: 21 August 2008, 22:32:35 »

.... how many "average persons on the street", know what an indictable offence is ?
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