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[HerefordElite]

everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for  (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? )

stand back....

He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.

In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..

Might be safer that way    pssst -- do any of the Royal Family drive Omega's  

not sure? but strangely as i was driving to buy my mig 4 years ago, Prince Charles was driven through Hereford in a nice Royal Protection Black MV6 going the other way...surely an omen

[HolyCount]

everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for  (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? )

stand back....

He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.

In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..

very true  

nothing like a bit of friendly debate just thought the man needed some backup

I don't think anyone was having a go at Topdog ..... in fact the impression I got was that all were impressed by the way he handled what he percieved to be ( for whatever reason) an *rse'ole.

[HerefordElite]

everyone back off their soap boxes and let the man have a rant, isn't that what forums are for  (gen chat)?
with all the respect to the coppers (and wannabe's) on here some of you're bretheren (in my meagre experience ) do get on a bit of a power trip now and again but not all of you are the same, but don't we all generalise (are all saxo drivers really that bad? )

stand back....

He is indeed welcome to have a rant... but others are also welcome to disagree with him.

In terms of wanabe's - you can never ever be sure who is who, especially on an anonymous forum..

very true  

nothing like a bit of friendly debate just thought the man needed some backup

I don't think anyone was having a go at Topdog ..... in fact the impression I got was that all were impressed by the way he handled what he percieved to be ( for whatever reason) an *rse'ole.

nothing better than being politely smug back at them, confident in the knowledge that all MOT'd & Taxed, 4 good tyres and a licence in hand

[stuart30]

Yeh i see your point what you guys are saying it just got right on my tits that this jumpped up hitler didnt even have the politness to talk to me like a human being i guess

He wears a uniform that in his mind entitles him too do what ever the hell he feels like....simple as.

Not tarring all coppers with the same brush...you get some good you get some bad and you occasionally get some who are actually human.

[stuart30]

Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights

In that case, it could easily have been a non-trafpol officer who actually spoke to you, possibly being used to supplement numbers for the days operation.

All said and done, from what you say, you acted properly.  All thats being asked by myself and others is to realise that trafpol (and Police Officers and Paramedics and Fire Fighters etc etc) are human too and always have good and bad, just like any walk of life.

Whilst your day is spoiled by their attitude to you, they should be professional enough to seperate jobs and deal with what they see and not be tainted by whats already happened elsewhere on their shift.

To reiterate, if you remain agrieved, complain to the appropriate Police authority.  

Understand what your saying Hotel but if you (or fellow officers) are having a bad day you can have a much greater negative impact on are lives than we would on yours.

[hotel21]

Just found out there was a white transit parked further back on the bypass and the police were doing checks most of the afternoon so yes the system was not upto date but there was no RTA or anything of the sort which yes i could forgive his attitude towards me if there was but for routine checks can you really agree with his attitude im even got uktv people on at traffic cops are on the telly and yet there polite as anything and shes just ran 2 red lights

In that case, it could easily have been a non-trafpol officer who actually spoke to you, possibly being used to supplement numbers for the days operation.

All said and done, from what you say, you acted properly.  All thats being asked by myself and others is to realise that trafpol (and Police Officers and Paramedics and Fire Fighters etc etc) are human too and always have good and bad, just like any walk of life.

Whilst your day is spoiled by their attitude to you, they should be professional enough to seperate jobs and deal with what they see and not be tainted by whats already happened elsewhere on their shift.

To reiterate, if you remain agrieved, complain to the appropriate Police authority.  

Understand what your saying Hotel but if you (or fellow officers) are having a bad day you can have a much greater negative impact on are lives than we would on yours.

Agreed.  Thats what I already said.....  

[Varche]

At least you can be thankful that you weren't stopped in Spain!

1. The police are armed

2. they don't know the law themselves. (For example there are a lot of problems at the moment regarding UK licences endorsed with a Spanish address if driving a Spanish reg car. Loads and loads of other grey areas too)

3. They issue on the spot fines particularly if you are aggressive back.

varche

PS you have to carry proof of payment of insurance and car tax plus MOT and log book and have a valid MOT sticker in the windscreen. All fineable offences. About time the UK followed suit!

[stuart30]

At least you can be thankful that you weren't stopped in Spain!

1. The police are armed

2. they don't know the law themselves. (For example there are a lot of problems at the moment regarding UK licences endorsed with a Spanish address if driving a Spanish reg car. Loads and loads of other grey areas too)

3. They issue on the spot fines particularly if you are aggressive back.

varche

PS you have to carry proof of payment of insurance and car tax plus MOT and log book and have a valid MOT sticker in the windscreen. All fineable offences. About time the UK followed suit!

Hear what your saying...philippines is even worse.

They can and do just stop someone whenever they feel like it and demand a fine on the spot....never seen a slim copper yet over there.

[LaserLance]

having had plenty off expeirence of the wrong type with the old bill in europe have agree with varche the gaurdia in spain take some beating for being a little on the vague side when it comes to the laws of the eec , espacially when it comes to Tacho laws , had one pull me up outside Madrid and tried to get me to take me truck to a garage for a tacho reseal which costs a few hundred pounds, when i said to him that me truck had only just been in for a MOT in the last month he got a bit shitty, threatened me with all sorts of fines ,bet he was on a backhander from garage either his brother or something like that :)Itailian coppers well we wont even go there  

[jereboam]

A slight digression - is it normal for the traffic police to scan number plates and pull up cars with documentation queries?

And is it required to carry copies of your documentation with you?  I'm sure that, years ago, you didn't even need to carry your driving licence, let alone you insurance certificate.  I do carry my driving licence, but I certainly don't have the MOT and Insurance Certificate in the car.

[Kevin Wood]

I've never carried any documentation with me. As far as I'm concerned if it needs to be seen I'm more than happy to co-operate with a 7 day wonder.

However, with talk of the Police impounding cars purely on "evidence" from the PNC (a public sector IT project, remember ) I'm starting to wonder. They'd impound one of my cars over my dead body.

Kevin

[HolyCount]

A slight digression - is it normal for the traffic police to scan number plates and pull up cars with documentation queries?

And is it required to carry copies of your documentation with you?  I'm sure that, years ago, you didn't even need to carry your driving licence, let alone you insurance certificate.  I do carry my driving licence, but I certainly don't have the MOT and Insurance Certificate in the car.

No, you don't have to carry your documents with you (but have to produce them if required at the local nick). In fact, it's not a good idea to leave the docs with the vehicle -- in the event of it being stolen it will have all the paperwork too !!

More and more patrol vehicles are fitted with ANPR, which automatically locks onto and scans plates, alerting the crew to any anomolies, which they will then act upon as they see fit.

[Mr Skrunts]

A slight digression - is it normal for the traffic police to scan number plates and pull up cars with documentation queries?

And is it required to carry copies of your documentation with you?  I'm sure that, years ago, you didn't even need to carry your driving licence, let alone you insurance certificate.  I do carry my driving licence, but I certainly don't have the MOT and Insurance Certificate in the car.

It's not the pulling/checking of the car or carrying documents thas a problem.

The thread  is about the attitude of the cop checking the details.  I dont think there would be a problem from any member of the forum here getting a checkup from the Police.

How ever I would be miffed if I was pulled by a little hitler attitude type, lets face it, we give them the attitude we get warned or even nicked, they give us attitude and we are supposed to just deal with it.  :-/

I often have my documents with me, dont think copies are permissable.

[Jay w]

on the subject of attitude i had a call from a very tearful friend today....

Driving on the M5 today, her little one has decided to unbuckle herself from the car seat, instinctively she pulls on to the hard shoulder, hazards on, she parks the car on a slight angle and gets out via the passenger side to rebuckle the little on back in.......

Within 2 minutes she is getting back in the car having strapped the little one back in she notices a 4x4 pulling up behind with its lights flashing and the roof lights going

instead of pulling off she turns the engine off and watches as someone gets out of the 4x4 walks up tot the drivers door, she winds the window down and the guys asks what she is doing, she tells him she ha just restrapped the little one in after she had undone it. the guy went mental on her, telling her she was a bad parent as she had put her daughter at risk and how she also created a risk by stopping on the hard shoulder, he told her she should have driver to either the nearest exit or services, he then went on to say that she was waisting her time and he intended reporting her to the local police and she should expect a letter from them.

She was in tears and really felt she has done something wrong, i have told her that he was out of order and she did the right thing.....that was based on common sense not legal knowledge.

does he have the right to report her?

BTW she got the reg number and location of her 'incident' i have told her to report i to the police and get her side of the story in first, she is too afraid of going to the police because of this though.  

[bertiecbx550]

If i understand it correctly the highways agency personnel are there to assist the public...not give out warnings...report it to the motorway cops cause they sound really childish to me...I mean what are your supposed to do?? run the risk of an accident occuring?? and what if she had of run into a copper who then spots an unrestrained child?? What a complete and utter prat...Do we not teach commonsense in this country anymore??