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New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« on: 11 September 2020, 21:05:24 »


Looking forward to showing this off at Beaulieu this weekend.

Still shocked at how well it has been looked after, for an ex-service car.
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #1 on: 11 September 2020, 21:12:33 »

Looks very clean, and tidy inside! How long ago did it come off GMP's fleet?
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #2 on: 11 September 2020, 21:14:55 »

That's certainly shinier than my white one, although I would wager that that's never seen a reflective sticker in its life :D

MV6 seats/trim are a suspicious touch... It almost certainly didn't leave the factory with them :-\
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #3 on: 11 September 2020, 21:28:41 »

very nice  8)
are those 195/65/15 tyres  :-\ or wider ?
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #4 on: 11 September 2020, 22:30:57 »

That's certainly shinier than my white one, although I would wager that that's never seen a reflective sticker in its life :D

Low odds on that wager - being black ::) :)
It was post Omega days that some Forces started livering 'non white' vehicles, mainly to enhance their resale value when sold after de-commissioning.

MV6 seats/trim are a suspicious touch... It almost certainly didn't leave the factory with them :-\

Why do you say that? It is an MV6, not a crappy 'Special'. It depends what use it had. Being black, with MV6 trim (and retaining its MV6 badging) it most likely use would have been other than 'normal' Police vehicle duties; maybe either a Staff car or Protection duties, or in some cases 'Driver Training', in which case, it would have been purchased as an MV6; the only common deletion from standard that many Forces made were the wheels. As you know from previous ownership of a ''Plod", if it was a plain vehicle on patrol duties, it wouldn't be built as an MV6 but a Special. If purchased for more specialised duties as I suggested, it would have been ordered as an MV6 in full MV6 trim.
There is a website (I can't remember which at the minute :-\) which you can input your chassis no of your Omega and it will list the full spec / options fitted to the vehicle at the factory. I did this with my Omegas, so I had a full detailed record of their original spec. And your friendly VX dealer can also supply this info if you ask the right person...
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #5 on: 11 September 2020, 23:31:07 »

Have seen MV6 Elite and Elite MV6 on the V5 of several plod cars. Have also seen Plod owned retail cars, especially '03 builds... A side effect of TVP stock piling several May/June built cars, (most of which ended up as '04/'54/'05).

If it's a genuine MV6, fair dos, but I would be surprised. Not the same thing as impossible... Highgrove Estate had a couple of 3.2 CDX estates, for example, so there are some pretty randomly specced cars around. But they are exceptionally rare.

Special, means just that... Usually GLS interior with no sunroof and extra roof reinforcement and interior roof panels for lightbar wiring and a higher rated alternator. Options included, but not limited to: Heavy Duty springs with/without Self Levelling, Xenons, LSD, Manual/Auto, 3.0s had steel wheels with trims and 3.2s had alloys, Euroland also got the option of the full fat 2.5DTI lump.

All the other Plod gear was added by the forces themselves... It's only recently that Vauxhall started building a  'standard' police vehicle range, and mostly because they were losing sales to Volvo and BMW...

All the skid pad cars I have seen wouldn't look out of place in a stock car race :D

Driver training cars generally don't end up looking much better.

Sticker price of a 3.2 V6 Special Estate was £18,250 in 2003.
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #6 on: 11 September 2020, 23:39:49 »

Incidentally, what reg is this one?
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #7 on: 12 September 2020, 08:24:22 »

Incidentally, what reg is this one?
Don't tell him!!!!!!!! ;D :y ;D

I went to a BCA Preston - possibly 12+ years ago - where there were 3 black 3.2 Elite saloons from GMP up for auction direct from the Police. They were were all full Elite spec; in reasonably good condition with just the odd bit of paint, but they made strong money at the time, so I walked away. They had obviously been used for a specific purpose, not routine police work, and had been well cared for overall.
About 5 years ago, I bought a black 2.6 Elite saloon at BCA Birmingham which had been used for 12 years by the NCA. It was in pretty good order, with only a few car park dents which easily came out, and again was full Elite spec. It had a full Vauxhall history too, which was all over the UK, but complete.
I still have (although now for parts) a Reubens Red 3.2 Elite saloon which was previously owned by Lincolnshire Police and used as a Staff Officers vehicle. Lincolnshire gave me details of its history and use when I asked, and that car was in full Elite spec, with a NCDC 2015 colour sat nav. It was well maintained with the Police, but had changed hands several times since when unfortunately it had been negleted somewhat mechanically.
So the crux of it is that Forces did buy 'non white' full spec Omega MV6s and Elites for specific purposes, generally in darker colours of green, blue, red (maroon) or black, and quite often these particular cars were well looked after due to their individual use.
I personally would be very surprised if that MV6 is anything other than the stunning vehicle it appears to be.

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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #8 on: 12 September 2020, 08:28:35 »

Looks fabulous very nice indeed a really spectacular vehicle.
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #9 on: 12 September 2020, 10:21:10 »

I never said that they didn't use anything other than white Specials ???

I merely made an observation.  ::)

As for the age of the vehicle, I wasn't asking for the VIN ffs, just curious as to the age as I have a hunch that the age would confirm/disprove.
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« Reply #10 on: 12 September 2020, 10:46:58 »

Incidentally, what reg is this one?

2001 on a Y plate. 
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #11 on: 12 September 2020, 11:01:54 »


All the skid pad cars I have seen wouldn't look out of place in a stock car race :D


I found an ex Thames Valley 3.2 Estate in white in a local scrap yard several years ago. It was obviously straight off skid pan duties, as it was fitted with large rubber mudflaps that went upto waist line height on the vehicle, and was heavily caked with dried oil underneath. It was damaged on its fns corner, which eas probably ehy it had been scrapped. It still had self levelling suspension fitted.  All the underside components were totally rust free, so needless to say it was quickly stripped of its front suspension, wishbone, rear shocks and springs - all of which were genuine GM and protected by the oil coating. It appeared to have been previously a traffic patrol vehicle judging from the equipment holes in the trim.
Lancashire Police have not had a skid pan for years (perhaps down to the health and safety?), but when they did, operational cars were used at the end of their service prior to subsequent disposal. I have some great photos of Triumph 2000's razzing round Lancashires skid pan in the late 70's / early 80's....

Driver training cars generally don't end up looking much better.

Lancashire Police Driving School used to be one of the best in the UK, until the cuts started and they moved out of their wonderful Police Motor School into basically an office block and prefab garages.
In the old Motor School premises, the cars were washed and leathered off everyday after the 'run' by the students, and they were immaculate without the normal abuse that section or to a lesser extent traffic cars were put through.  The interior trim was always good as the drivers weren't carrying handcuffs, batons that caused untold damage to the interior trim getting in and out of the vehicles. They were 'driven', but not abused, so were generally a decent buy second hand. And the majority weren't white either.
Other Police Forces used to send Officers to Lancashire for Driver Training, so they had an example to set with their vehicle fleet.
The good old days.......although they only ever had one Omega,  a white 3.2 auto....
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« Reply #13 on: 12 September 2020, 11:27:43 »

The TVP bumper cars were probably scrapped after failing to sell at WOMA, not helped by the fact that they were the only two non runners at one of several sales I visited there.

The ex Met '53 black Elite estate that Josh acquired went to a forum member, think that was originally a £5-6k car. The ad is on here, probably 2010/2011 :-\

Think Joff may still have it...
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #14 on: 12 September 2020, 11:28:54 »

Not disputing the fact that it is obviously a very well presented car, especially in non metallic black 8)

I do however have a question...

1. When was the Facelift interior updated?
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« Reply #15 on: 12 September 2020, 19:23:22 »

This was a GMP "VIP" car and a standard MV6.It was one of 2 identical cars with consecutive number plates.
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« Reply #16 on: 12 September 2020, 19:32:40 »

This was a GMP "VIP" car and a standard MV6.It was one of 2 identical cars with consecutive number plates.
Interesting  :y

They obviously felt that 15" wheels looked better :D
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« Reply #17 on: 13 September 2020, 12:17:53 »

The TVP bumper cars were probably scrapped after failing to sell at WOMA, not helped by the fact that they were the only two non runners at one of several sales I visited there.

The ex Met '53 black Elite estate that Josh acquired went to a forum member, think that was originally a £5-6k car. The ad is on here, probably 2010/2011 :-\

Think Joff may still have it...

I donít think so, but his brother may have it. It was a nice car. 👍
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« Reply #18 on: 13 September 2020, 12:31:47 »

I know it went to Scotland for a spell and that he bought it back, but it was/is almost as nice as Twiglets one 8)
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« Reply #19 on: 13 September 2020, 21:18:54 »

You sure your not confusing it with Twiglets ? His went to Scotland, and last I heard he was talking about buying it back.
Dont know if he ever did though.
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« Reply #20 on: 13 September 2020, 21:58:22 »

Perhaps it wasn't Scotland, but Joff kept it up to scratch, sold it to someone who didn't quite have the same standards, bought it back a year or so later and promptly had to go through it to reverse all the neglect... :-\

But that was a while ago :D
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #21 on: 13 September 2020, 22:53:07 »

Back on track, looking at the pictures in the other thread, only Plod would drill an MV6 bumper for a pair of Whelen 500 TIR6s ;D
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« Reply #22 on: 14 September 2020, 09:22:41 »

Back on track, looking at the pictures in the other thread, only Plod would drill an MV6 bumper for a pair of Whelen 500 TIR6s ;D
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« Reply #23 on: 14 September 2020, 09:42:39 »

So it left the factory with MV6 wheels and tyres.

Fitting those 15" steelies is a bizarre choice. Especially with LSC as the handling must be odd when pressing on :-\
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« Reply #24 on: 14 September 2020, 13:46:19 »

So it left the factory with MV6 wheels and tyres.

Fitting those 15" steelies is a bizarre choice. Especially with LSC as the handling must be odd when pressing on :-\
It actually handles really well, especially on our rough back roads where it doesn't meander as much as my other MV6 on 17" wheels, although that is better with new tyres all round. [One rear tyre had about 4-5mm less tread depth than the other, probably because of the open diff.]  What is odd on the black car is that in order to fit the 15" wheels they must have had to fit smaller front brakes.  It does stop well, probably because it has good (Jurid) pads, but the pedal is even spongier than normal.  I still think there must be air in the system, which might explain the squelchy noises coming from the ABS body when pumping the pedal. Somebody told me that there is a way of triggering the ABS pump with a Tech 2, but at the show we borrowed one and there doesn't seem to be a menu for that.
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Re: New ex-GMP MV6 purchase
« Reply #25 on: 14 September 2020, 13:47:45 »

All Omega brakes fit inside the 15" wheel ;) Discs are unchanged from the 3.0 Carlton, four pots originally had smaller discs, but from '98 everything got the 296x28mm fronts.

Omega pedal feel isn't great as they don't snatch in the way a Focus might. But shouldn't squelch. Abs activation is a Tech2 job, and essential if the system hasn't been bled properly, ie allowed to drop below the minimum level during bleeding. May also be an indication of master cylinder issues...
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« Reply #26 on: 14 September 2020, 13:52:40 »

All Omega brakes fit inside the 15" wheel ;)
I thought there were two different sizes of discs for the front depending on engine size?
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« Reply #27 on: 14 September 2020, 13:58:34 »

All Omega brakes fit inside the 15" wheel ;)
I thought there were two different sizes of discs for the front depending on engine size?
Originally yes, but see my last.

Also covered in depth elsewhere. The only differences that affect the 2.6/3.2 is the addition of vented rears, again factory standard, but this only changes the disc thickness... 286mm diameter remained unchanged from the Carlton/Omega A ;) the other difference being that TC actuates the rear brakes as well as cutting the throttle... this is probably the primary reason for the vented discs.
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« Reply #28 on: 14 September 2020, 14:00:53 »

very nice  8)
are those 195/65/15 tyres  :-\ or wider ?
205/65R15.  Apparently they had special high speed W or Y rated ones supplied in period for Motorway cars. This car is on Goodyears all round with a manufactured date of 2003/4, and they are not.  It handles potholes, and kerbs well :y
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« Reply #29 on: 14 September 2020, 14:07:10 »

What rating are they? Regardless of skinny high profile tyres on small wheels, it's still a 150mph car with a 2,195 kg gross weight.

Bear in mind that it was built with W rated tyres. TVP fitted Goodyear NCTs on their Omegas with the standard 16" alloys... 225/55/16 99W iirc.
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« Reply #30 on: 14 September 2020, 18:51:25 »

very nice  8)
are those 195/65/15 tyres  :-\ or wider ?
205/65R15.  Apparently they had special high speed W or Y rated ones supplied in period for Motorway cars. This car is on Goodyears all round with a manufactured date of 2003/4, and they are not.  It handles potholes, and kerbs well :y
maybe they put tyres /steel wheels( that they had in the stores)  on the car when it was sent to auction/sold off so it had good tyres ,too old for the police to use dated 2003/4 but perfectly acceptable to put on an auction car to bump up the price, no one would check the dates,just think"great....new tyres "

we put all the duff wheels/bald tyres/knackered wheel trims on cars sent to auction and kept the good ones for cars we retailed when i was working in cars  :-X
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« Reply #31 on: 16 September 2020, 11:55:39 »

It has got Goodyears fitted but only V rated on now, which did occur to me when I may have strayed slightly over the legal limit the other day...
also we remeasured the front discs and they are definitely smaller than my other MV6.  Seeing as it is the caliper that would foul the smaller wheels, I don't know why that is the case, unless some aftermarket discs have been fitted at some point.  Unfortunately at the mometn, I don't have space to get both cars in the workshop at the same time to analyse in more detail.
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« Reply #32 on: 16 September 2020, 12:18:51 »

What size is the spare on the other one...  ::)
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« Reply #33 on: 16 September 2020, 17:40:16 »

i'd be checking its got 6 cylinders and not 4 if it's got smaller brakes  ;D

are the smaller discs original  :-\ or has someone been swapping parts for the wrong ones  :-X

as for wheels, 15" GM steel wheels fit over the discs on my 2.6
(the spare is a 195/65/15 steel)

years ago Vauxhall carlton/Omega A 15 inch diplomat alloys had 2 variants ,1 fitted only smaller brakes fitted to the 4 pots ,the other fitted the strait 6 bigger brake size

maybe your V11 VXL  reg ? :-\ car has BIGGER brakes than standard ,fitted by the owner who worked for a Vauxhall dealer  :-\
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« Reply #34 on: 16 September 2020, 17:45:06 »

I've posted the dimensions at least three times recently  ::)

It should have:

Fronts 296x28 vented.

Rear 286x20 vented.

Sounds like someone fitted the EARLY four pot stuff if they're smaller.

Also, I told you so re the spare... And yes, the tyres are underated.
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« Reply #35 on: 18 September 2020, 09:12:36 »


Looking forward to showing this off at Beaulieu this weekend.

Still shocked at how well it has been looked after, for an ex-service car.

Irrespective of some of the questionable or possibly misguided assumptions banded about regarding your car,  it is a lovely and well presented Omega and as long as the brakes meet the legal requirements for a current VOSA test, and you are happy with their performance, I personally would be very proud to have such a good example :y. Go out and enjoy it, both on the road and at car shows!!
You have two beautifully presented MV6's, which some don't have the luxury of and maybe never will again due decent examples becoming scarcer and harder to find, so just enjoy them!!
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« Reply #36 on: 18 September 2020, 10:10:36 »

No one has suggested that it isn't a nice car, it clearly is!, or that it shouldn't be enjoyed ???

But under braked and under tyred, it won't be doing much of either for very long.
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« Reply #37 on: 18 September 2020, 10:42:28 »

Wouldn't cost much to make it perfect, but still a very good looking vehicle to be proud of.
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« Reply #38 on: 21 September 2020, 10:21:26 »

No one has suggested that it isn't a nice car, it clearly is!, or that it shouldn't be enjoyed ???

But under braked and under tyred, it won't be doing much of either for very long.
It is a lot of fun, and I shall enjoy getting it how I want it over the next year.  Although the pedal feel is typically long and spongey, it pulls up remarkably well, probably helped by having the correct pads fitted. I don't intend to get close to the speed rating limit of the tyres, and certainly not when full of passengers and luggage.  There have been a couple of occasions when I wished that the blue lights were still fitted, when late for an appointment...but I know that would get me in even more trouble! It even managed a commendable 30mpg on brim to brim measurement on my last tankful which included a good mix of a long motorway run to Beaulieu and back and some everyday use.  For what it owes me so far, I love it.   
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« Reply #39 on: 21 September 2020, 10:46:12 »

If the brakes are undersized, then they aren't the correct pads, or have I missed something  ???

Likewise the tyre ratings. Granted, they aren't that far out of spec, but there's a reason why it left the factory with 94Ws fitted :-X
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« Reply #40 on: 21 September 2020, 11:35:39 »

If the brakes are undersized, then they aren't the correct pads, or have I missed something  ???

Likewise the tyre ratings. Granted, they aren't that far out of spec, but there's a reason why it left the factory with 94Ws fitted :-X
Unfortunately I still haven't established if the caliper is correct, but the disc is apparently smaller (according to my colleague here who measured it when he had a wheel off to check)
Obviously if the caliper is right (and there's no reason for it not to be if a 15" wheel will fit), then the pads will fit.  I will make sure I have a much closer look myself, when I next take a wheel off,
which will probably be when we change the brake fluid and fit a new set of the correct sized discs.  As for the tyres, I am enjoying not having to worry about potholes and parking next to kerbs as much as I do with freshly refurbed 17" alloys.  When the car gets to the next stage of development and I can afford some bigger brakes, the steels will make way for some 6 spoke 17" alloys that came off an '03 Elite, with new 97W rated tyres fitted.
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« Reply #41 on: 21 September 2020, 12:08:06 »

Don't forget the rear brakes whilst you are at it... If someone has cheaped out enough to fit early 4 pot front discs, then I wouldn't be surprised if the rear discs are solid... Which then begs the question of what else has been 'overlooked'  :-\
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« Reply #42 on: 21 September 2020, 12:12:25 »

I will bear that in mind and keep everyone posted. 
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« Reply #43 on: 21 September 2020, 17:54:36 »

I will bear that in mind and keep everyone posted.

That should read 'I will bear that in mind and keep DG posted'.
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« Reply #44 on: 22 September 2020, 09:23:23 »

I will bear that in mind and keep everyone posted.

That should read 'I will bear that in mind and keep DG posted'.
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« Reply #45 on: 22 September 2020, 19:33:23 »

Al (Dr G) has an impressive knowledge of the Omega, (and other makes)certainly knows his stuff :y
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« Reply #46 on: 26 October 2020, 17:55:28 »


Just for fun, I found some aerials to add to the bases that were already in the quarter panels. 
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« Reply #47 on: 26 October 2020, 20:30:57 »

Not using the aerial bases as mounts for the  drogue chute (drag parachute or braking parachute) then  :-\ 
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« Reply #48 on: 26 October 2020, 21:32:44 »

Not using the aerial bases as mounts for the  drogue chute (drag parachute or braking parachute) then  :-\
;D Ha, ha, actually the brakes aren't bad, once you get used to the "progressive" feel of the pedal ;)
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« Reply #49 on: 28 October 2020, 11:52:36 »

I've posted the dimensions at least three times recently  ::)

It should have:

Fronts 296x28 vented.

Rear 286x20 vented.

Sounds like someone fitted the EARLY four pot stuff if they're smaller.

Also, I told you so re the spare... And yes, the tyres are underated.


My MV6 came with none vented discs on the rear with a caliper designed for a wider disc.  It was fine until the pad wore out enough for the piston to pop out. The failure mode had some warning. The pad started to get stuck between the disc and the caliper causing some interesting grinding noises.  Because I'm a chartered manufacturing engineer with skills in risk assessment, safety, reliability, I obviously ignored this until the brakes went very spongy.
And smoke was pouring from the rear wheel, where the piston had started to release brake fluid as it had travelled past the seal in the bore.
Just before I was about to drive over the Cat and fiddle pass.
I did debate NOT buying new wider discs, but just putting one of the old pads behind the newer pad and saving myself the cost of 2 discs.  But that day I felt especially flush and did the job correctly.  Getting hold of new linger pins was a hassle.  Took me 3 weeks to track them down.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm probably the laziest Engineer I know.
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« Reply #50 on: 28 October 2020, 12:51:53 »

Fortunately, I have no intention of ever being on a working submarine...  ::)

If the car had been involved in a fatal accident, then you (or your family) would have to explain why the rear brakes failed.
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« Reply #51 on: 13 November 2020, 08:02:51 »

Made up a trolley for the spare engine, which will also double up as a jig for the exhaust, and enable me to push it into the corner when I'm busy doing jobs in the garden or trying to earn a living :(

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« Reply #52 on: 13 November 2020, 08:25:58 »

Those manifolds make me feel funny :y :D
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« Reply #53 on: 13 November 2020, 08:53:03 »

Those manifolds make me feel funny :y :D
They are only mock ups.  Full stainless ones, when I get time, cobblers children and all that :y
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« Reply #54 on: 13 November 2020, 11:49:34 »

NICE  :)
you need to add a seat and diff/drive wheels  ;)
oh... and those front wheels won't give you much control of the steering  ;D
I'm assuming you're just going to put your feet on the floor to stop  :D
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« Reply #55 on: 13 November 2020, 12:53:35 »

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