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Is this correct.
« on: 08 March 2021, 13:04:32 »

Been having a look at the old timing belt as i have no paperwork at seems to be set up ok apart from the lower idler is fixed at has no pointer nor adjustment and the tensioner is set to the photos position.This is a used belt fitted to it when i bought it i dont know how old it is it looks like a gates kit as per written on the belt.it lines up ok with the locking kit on in fact perfect but is the tension set correctly.Any ideas would be greatfully welcome.thanks gavin.
https://app.photobucket.com/u/Gavlar001/p/ef3bc564-3525-4e2d-b398-e1c41796b026
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #1 on: 08 March 2021, 13:37:02 »

Oh its a 2.6 v6 thanks.
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #2 on: 08 March 2021, 13:51:56 »

A visual inspection is only useful if the belt or bearings are damaged.


If the timing tools all line up then you know it was at least fitted correctly.


Given the expensive damage that a failed belt causes, not knowing its history justifies changing it.


Especially if it was a 'used belt' Why would anyone consider that a good idea?  ???
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #3 on: 08 March 2021, 13:59:35 »

Hi nick thanks mate. Im planning to change it asap.As per everything in life money is an issue at the moment.So the car is staying unused until i do.I just wondered if it has been fitted correctly ie tension and the fixed roller at the bottom but as you have said it just better off changing it.
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #4 on: 08 March 2021, 14:38:23 »

Fixed lower roller is normal on 2.6/3.2 :y
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #5 on: 08 March 2021, 14:49:21 »

Hi nick thanks mate. Im planning to change it asap.As per everything in life money is an issue at the moment.So the car is staying unused until i do.I just wondered if it has been fitted correctly ie tension and the fixed roller at the bottom but as you have said it just better off changing it.


They're actually easier to fit with the fixed lower roller, as there is less to screw up. It pretty much guarantees that cams 3&4 are going to be timed correctly.
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #6 on: 08 March 2021, 15:17:44 »

I just get the photobucket login page on all of your links. I can't see any of the photos.

A 2.6 has a lower deflection pulley with no eccentric adjustment, so it's fixed. The backplate for tensioner and upper pully is also different from earlier models. The kit you need is a Contitech CT990K2 or similar. The Gates kit is K035453XS.

You can use the earlier versions of most kits but you will need to adjust the eccentric on the lower idler and swap your existing backplate for the one in the earlier kits. Earlier ContiTech is CT990K1 and Gates is K025453XS. Easy to do.

Here's a Quinton Hazel kit which will suit your car. Albeit with adjustable lower eccentric and the backplate will need to be swapped. At 59 delivered it's a bit of a bargain these days.
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #7 on: 08 March 2021, 15:56:32 »

Been having a look at the old timing belt as i have no paperwork at seems to be set up ok apart from the lower idler is fixed at has no pointer nor adjustment and the tensioner is set to the photos position.This is a used belt fitted to it when i bought it i dont know how old it is it looks like a gates kit as per written on the belt.it lines up ok with the locking kit on in fact perfect but is the tension set correctly.Any ideas would be greatfully welcome.thanks gavin.
https://app.photobucket.com/u/Gavlar001/p/ef3bc564-3525-4e2d-b398-e1c41796b026
https://app.photobucket.com/u/Gavlar001/p/b288a116-9f06-48f4-956f-e56068d519d7
https://app.photobucket.com/u/Gavlar001/p/05e9252d-8c28-4cfe-aa1a-9ed119941ea9
https://app.photobucket.com/u/Gavlar001/p/9fc04d71-a107-4b13-ad10-0b90a7b825b2
https://app.photobucket.com/u/Gavlar001/p/217416c6-4eda-4b62-87aa-fc8b555c36a4
https://app.photobucket.com/u/Gavlar001/p/c450f3ea-15a7-4d3a-935c-e0b5569b85be
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #8 on: 08 March 2021, 16:00:12 »

Thanks all, nice one ive bought a kit for it as i already have a sealy locking kit for it and as nick said its not a place to be risking it in terms of just leaving it.Ive already stripped the water pump off as i have one of those.so its ready for the new one to go back on before doing the belt.Its the first one ive done but i do have the dvd.i noticed the cam locks go in fine and the cam markings are different for each cam notched onto the cams which was something i was not aware off.The old tensioner does not load and load when rotating the crank which must mean its shot as that cant be right surely.lol :-\
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #9 on: 08 March 2021, 16:03:25 »

Sorry its photobucket its a free account lol, so useful. :'(
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« Reply #10 on: 08 March 2021, 16:32:43 »

What the best way to do it if the lower roller is fixed  :-\
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #11 on: 08 March 2021, 16:39:44 »

From memory, anticlockwise starting from the crank...
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« Reply #12 on: 08 March 2021, 16:48:22 »

Thanks if there is no lower eccentric idle pulley unlike the dvd how do you degree up banks 3 and 4.Although at the moment when locked the marks are bang on on both banks.
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Re: Is this correct.
« Reply #13 on: 08 March 2021, 17:18:23 »

Thanks if there is no lower eccentric idle pulley unlike the dvd how do you degree up banks 3 and 4.Although at the moment when locked the marks are bang on on both banks.


you fit the belt around the crank pulley, then over the fixed idler and onto 3&4 ensuring that it's tensioned correctly. Then work around the adjuster between the heads, over 1&2, and past the tensioner. You might need to have fixed idler loose on its bolt.


If you get all that right, 3&4 will align properly on each successive turn through, leaving you to tweak 1&2 and finally the tensioner.


These are much easier to do than the earlier, completely adjustable idlers

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« Reply #14 on: 08 March 2021, 17:52:31 »

Brilliant thanks for the good advice.What position should the upper idler arrow and the tensioner be in before routing the belt.
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