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[Doctor Gollum]

Then perhaps it's time you spoke for yourself rather than hiding behind what other people might feel/think

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

But woe betide anyone else who does the same

As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?

Direct experience

I believe Lizzie is around 65/66/67/68 years old.

62 years of experience is impressive to say the least.

[STEMO]

But woe betide anyone else who does the same

As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?

Direct experience

Now that has been made clear, let's start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may have come of this thread after all.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. 

Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!!  I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience.  So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject.  So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?

Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier"  as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught.  Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.

I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives.  On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here.  Countrywoman, Nick W  (thank you for your support Nick!! ) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with.  I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment.  At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!

What is wrong in being passionate MigV6?  It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it!  Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged?  That your view is always right?  How dare I challenge that, eh?

So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being.  On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.

Oh, lizzie......I have an image of you standing on a mountain top dressed in a long white flowing robe with a glowing halo above your head as you lecture the ignorant peasants on how they should think.

So biblical.....so patronising.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Anyway.....F1 starts today. I have a passing interest, and I think it is a shame young Russell has not replaced Bottas.

[Lizzie Zoom]

On the other hand. Lizzie composes her posts as though every single word contained within them is inarguable fact, and only a lesser mortal, too thick too understand her intellectual superiority would contemplate posting a different viewpoint.
Hence the endless list of threads which have ended in tears / dummy spitting over the last ten years or so.
Having read a few books, from a particular viewpoint, and having the ability to remember selective passages from them, does not an intellectual make. 

Oh do not worry I am an expert in this field going way beyond reading a few books!!  I know most of what there is to no currently about transgender issues, with 62 years experience.  So all that I have explained in detail, beyond one line snips of others, has been learnt in depth, way beyond others knowledge of the subject.  So why should I not TRY and explain the FACTS of this subject, like many on here, who have vast knowledge of other disciplines, have the right to detail out their in depth understandings?

Yes, when I have something I believe is important to say I will be passionate about saying it. In business I was nicknamed "The Terrier"  as I hounded down the truth, the facts, ready for police, disciplinary, or both action with a large number of criminals caught.  Two got over 10 years imprisonment, and about 50 others simply were sacked, including middle managers.

I do nothing in halves, but always the full on approach to obtain my objectives.  On this thread I have now done all I can to support the transgendered community which daily faces the ignorance displayed on here.  Countrywoman, Nick W  (thank you for your support Nick!! ) , and me along with the silent 'others' "get it", but for the rest your ignorance I will have to live with.  I know that. It will be not until the older generation of today have died off will the ingrained prejudices give way the new enlightenment.  At the moment it is like Galileo explaining the Earth orbits the sun, not as the majority of that day believed that the Sun orbited the Earth!

What is wrong in being passionate MigV6?  It is over 10 years that I have contributed on the OOF; 13 years is more like it!  Is it because as one of the only women on here the majority who are men, like you, do not like being challenged?  That your view is always right?  How dare I challenge that, eh?

So I will reserve the right to enter into discussions and submit the facts I know, especially when others have blatantly insulted and degraded other human beings intimate feelings that affects their health and future being.  On this thread this attack was started by others, so excuse me please if I use my right to argue to the contrary.

Oh, lizzie......I have an image of you standing on a mountain top dressed in a long white flowing robe with a glowing halo above your head as you lecture the ignorant peasants on how they should think.

So biblical.....so patronising.

I will say no more on this thread but please accept that sometimes the other person has very real specialist and personal knowledge on the subject you are do dismissive of.

[Lizzie Zoom]

But woe betide anyone else who does the same

As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?

Direct experience

Now that has been made clear, let's start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may have come of this thread after all.

I have been all along Steve, and that is why I know so much on this subject and have felt the personal and collective insult dished out

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

But woe betide anyone else who does the same

As an aside, is that 62 years direct personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?

Direct experience

Now that has been made clear, let's start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may have come of this thread after all.

I have been all along Steve, and that is why I know so much on this subject and have felt the personal and collective insult dished out

You just said that you'd say no more......