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« on: 24 March 2021, 17:07:45 »

Thinking of investesting in one

All cars are Omegas, Largest Engine is the 3.0 Elite.

Any recomendations.

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Re: Jump Start Booster
« Reply #2 on: 24 March 2021, 17:28:17 »

Depends what you want it for: if it's just as a boost to a failing or undercharged battery, then the pocket sized things work OK even on a 3.0l. They also tend to stay charged for long periods. But if you intend using it on something that's stood for a while, or will turn over a lot then you need something with a traditional battery inside and will need to charge it frequently.



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« Reply #3 on: 24 March 2021, 18:03:50 »

If its because your battery regularly goes flat, you need to solve that issue. End of.
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« Reply #4 on: 24 March 2021, 20:58:51 »

If its because your battery regularly goes flat, you need to solve that issue. End of.

Ill Health. cant afford a chauffer. :-X :-\
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« Reply #5 on: 24 March 2021, 21:00:49 »

then the pocket sized things work OK even on a 3.0l

Bought one after it was recomended on here.  Kept in charged.  Now I need it I cant find it... I kow where all the leads are. :-\
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« Reply #8 on: 25 March 2021, 08:04:10 »

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« Reply #9 on: 25 March 2021, 11:26:29 »

If its because your battery regularly goes flat, you need to solve that issue. End of.

Ill Health. cant afford a chauffer. :-X :-\
A battery booster is not going to help if your battery keeps going flat.  Dont waste your money on one.  Boosters have their uses, but they are not a magic cure for a car with high discharge or that doesn't get used.

So, if you battery goes flat within a week or 2, you need to find the drain.  If it does flat through lack of use, you need to find a way to keep it charged, be that a charger, or a second battery that you swap over every week.


I've said it a million times, but you also need to remember that if you let a car battery deep discharge, its oppsed. End of.  If you repeatedly let a car battery partially discharge, its oppsed. End of.
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Re: Jump Start Booster
« Reply #10 on: 25 March 2021, 12:24:16 »

Sadly I cant win with batterys.  I have mobilty issues and dont use the car like I used.  I went for an eye test on the 14th Jan and the car hasnt been used since.  (tried earlier this month but Zero)

Better weather it will get more use, but October through till now then not much at all.  Plus lifting the bonnet and disconecting then reverseing it to reconnet is not an option either.

Oh and when people like the AA start the usual lecture all I can say is "Boris told me to stay indoors"
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« Reply #11 on: 25 March 2021, 12:25:03 »

Out of interest, what are the likely culprits for battery draining.?
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« Reply #12 on: 25 March 2021, 12:50:16 »

Alarm, radio, anything plugged in...

The best way to keep an Omega is to disconnect the battery negative. Just make sure that the key opens the doors first.  :y
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« Reply #13 on: 25 March 2021, 13:31:28 »

maybe a solar charger would help .... there are some pretty cheap panels about.

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/streetwize-12v-6w-solar-trickle-battery-charge/ ... no idea how good or bad it'd be, but surely better than nothing.
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« Reply #14 on: 25 March 2021, 14:33:46 »

Alarm, radio, anything plugged in...

The best way to keep an Omega is to disconnect the battery negative. Just make sure that the key opens the doors first.  :y

Pity I cant put a switch in series with each fuse.  Get out of the car and switch all the circuits off, get in and switch them all back on.
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« Reply #15 on: 25 March 2021, 14:34:35 »

maybe a solar charger would help .... there are some pretty cheap panels about.

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/streetwize-12v-6w-solar-trickle-battery-charge/ ... no idea how good or bad it'd be, but surely better than nothing.

Erm . . . .bought something like that , , ,still in a box somewhere.
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« Reply #16 on: 25 March 2021, 14:58:46 »

You could fit a master switch, although this will have exactly the same effect as disconnecting the battery and will still mean using the key to physically lock/unlock the car...
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« Reply #17 on: 25 March 2021, 18:17:28 »

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It's no good in the box  ;) ;)
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Re: Jump Start Booster
« Reply #18 on: 27 March 2021, 12:02:53 »

Starter ::) for ten...

https://www.halfords.com/motoring/battery-maintenance/jump-starters/noco-gb50-1500-amp-ultrasafe-lithium-jump-starter-216406.html

Smaller/cheaper versions available.

Whilst it doesn't help the OP. Just say I've got one of those Noco GP50 and actually supprised myself how well they work, they will easily start around 6 cars in a row, don't expect them to turn an engine over for 10 mins as they won't, but will happily start an known good car even with the battery totally shagged or missing.

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« Reply #19 on: 27 March 2021, 12:28:11 »

There's a reason why many of the bigger pick ups have two batteries. There's a few Youtubers who swear by the Noco boosters. Anything that can cold start three diesel V8s in a row has to be worth a look ;)
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« Reply #20 on: 27 March 2021, 12:48:16 »

Just search for a 12 volt portable car jump starter.
I have a Halfords one from donkeys years ago.
Cost me 80 quid iirc.
20Ah battery (since upgraded with a few alarm system batteries taped together)
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Compressor for the tyres.
Charge it up from a fag lighter or mains.

Replaced the compressor about 5 years ago.
Just charge it up and chuck it in the boot of the car.
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« Reply #21 on: 27 March 2021, 13:14:29 »

I find these clicky good when you have a dead battery  ;)
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« Reply #22 on: 27 March 2021, 13:54:27 »

Solves the problem but not the cause :D
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« Reply #23 on: 27 March 2021, 15:18:41 »

There's a reason why many of the bigger pick ups have two batteries. ....

My ML has 2 batteries  ... 1 under the driver's seat & another motorbike type battery in the boot area. I've yet to get 2 answers the same as to what the little battery is for.
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« Reply #24 on: 27 March 2021, 15:34:10 »

I find these clicky good when you have a dead battery  ;)

Had a few of those, even the AA give me batteries with 5 years warranty :-X
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« Reply #25 on: 27 March 2021, 15:36:42 »

There's a reason why many of the bigger pick ups have two batteries. ....

My ML has 2 batteries  ... 1 under the driver's seat & another motorbike type battery in the boot area. I've yet to get 2 answers the same as to what the little battery is for.

Disconect the big one to find out what the little one does (I reckon the little one powers the alrms etc)
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« Reply #26 on: 27 March 2021, 16:02:44 »

There's a reason why many of the bigger pick ups have two batteries. ....

My ML has 2 batteries  ... 1 under the driver's seat & another motorbike type battery in the boot area. I've yet to get 2 answers the same as to what the little battery is for.

Does it have Stop/Start?
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« Reply #27 on: 27 March 2021, 16:16:32 »

There's a reason why many of the bigger pick ups have two batteries. ....

My ML has 2 batteries  ... 1 under the driver's seat & another motorbike type battery in the boot area. I've yet to get 2 answers the same as to what the little battery is for.
I meant two full size batteries, one behind each headlight...

Like this...

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« Reply #28 on: 27 March 2021, 19:39:00 »

There's a reason why many of the bigger pick ups have two batteries. ....

My ML has 2 batteries  ... 1 under the driver's seat & another motorbike type battery in the boot area. I've yet to get 2 answers the same as to what the little battery is for.

Does it have Stop/Start?

It does! And I think it's something to do with that ....
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« Reply #29 on: 27 March 2021, 19:40:55 »

There's a reason why many of the bigger pick ups have two batteries. ....

My ML has 2 batteries  ... 1 under the driver's seat & another motorbike type battery in the boot area. I've yet to get 2 answers the same as to what the little battery is for.
I meant two full size batteries, one behind each headlight...

Like this...

https://images.app.goo.gl/4ttaVNomTgfZSFJr6

I've seen something like that before .... something like an older Toyota Hilux  :-\
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« Reply #30 on: 27 March 2021, 19:44:37 »

Seems to be pretty much the current industry standard on medium and heavy duty trucks. Even Transhits have two full batteries here.  ;)
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« Reply #31 on: 27 March 2021, 21:26:16 »


Does it have Stop/Start?

It does! And I think it's something to do with that ....

It's definitely to do with that.  :y
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Does it have Stop/Start?

It does! And I think it's something to do with that ....

It's definitely to do with that.  :y

but that alone or something else too? If I sit with the ignition at auxiliary with 'thing's on eg wipers, heated seats, radio, heater fan  ... are they supplied by the big starter battery under my seat or the baby battery in the back? I wouldn't imagine the baby battery would last very long.  :-\ :-\
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Does it have Stop/Start?

It does! And I think it's something to do with that ....

It's definitely to do with that.  :y

but that alone or something else too? If I sit with the ignition at auxiliary with 'thing's on eg wipers, heated seats, radio, heater fan  ... are they supplied by the big starter battery under my seat or the baby battery in the back? I wouldn't imagine the baby battery would last very long.  :-\ :-\

All I remember on the W251, the Aux battery solely used for the S/S system.  Something in the back of my head is saying it will also allow the transmission to move from Park to Neutral in event of a main battery failure..... although that could be S-Class only.  :-\
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« Reply #34 on: 29 March 2021, 19:30:10 »

...
 Something in the back of my head is saying it will also allow the transmission to move from Park to Neutral in event of a main battery failure.....  ...

That could be useful  :)
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« Reply #35 on: 29 March 2021, 19:39:03 »

...
 Something in the back of my head is saying it will also allow the transmission to move from Park to Neutral in event of a main battery failure.....  ...

That could be useful  :)


Useful seems to be against Mercedes principles; I've struggled with lots of transmissions that did all sorts of curious design decisions. The FWD autos shift back into neutral after a few seconds if the engine isn't running. I saw a number of E-class that wouldn't shift out of Park if the engine wasn't turning, which makes moving a non-runner interesting. They stopped using manual park releases nearly 20 years ago, and you can't even crawl underneath and disconnect the mechanical selector because they're all electronic.
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« Reply #36 on: 29 March 2021, 21:27:23 »

Mine still has a mechanical connection between the lever and the shift switch. It also has a cable interlock to stop the lever leaving park if the key is removed and the key from being removed if it isn't in park. That's obviously on top of the electrical interlock that won't release the lever if the brake pedal isn't pressed. This only works with power.

So if you don't have the key, and/or the battery is flat doing anything without a fork lift starts to look alot like work ::)
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« Reply #37 on: 29 March 2021, 21:47:12 »

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So if you don't have the key, and/or the battery is flat doing anything without a fork lift starts to look alot like work ::)

I wish I'd taken more notice now, but at Mercedes, they'd just unloaded a dead car with a remote controlled vehicle lift. The driver said it was just about the only way to retrieve dead cars from multi-storey car parks where they can't get the recovery vehicle to the stranded vehicle.
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« Reply #38 on: 29 March 2021, 22:03:59 »

Judicious use of wheel dollies and a winch from some of Nick Ws recollections ;)
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« Reply #39 on: 29 March 2021, 22:14:46 »

Mine still has a mechanical connection between the lever and the shift switch. It also has a cable interlock to stop the lever leaving park if the key is removed and the key from being removed if it isn't in park. That's obviously on top of the electrical interlock that won't release the lever if the brake pedal isn't pressed. This only works with power.

So if you don't have the key, and/or the battery is flat doing anything without a fork lift starts to look alot like work ::)
Exactly the same as my astra.
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« Reply #40 on: 29 March 2021, 22:28:40 »

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So if you don't have the key, and/or the battery is flat doing anything without a fork lift starts to look alot like work ::)

I wish I'd taken more notice now, but at Mercedes, they'd just unloaded a dead car with a remote controlled vehicle lift. The driver said it was just about the only way to retrieve dead cars from multi-storey car parks where they can't get the recovery vehicle to the stranded vehicle.

It was something like this

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« Reply #41 on: 29 March 2021, 22:44:05 »

Mine still has a mechanical connection between the lever and the shift switch. It also has a cable interlock to stop the lever leaving park if the key is removed and the key from being removed if it isn't in park. That's obviously on top of the electrical interlock that won't release the lever if the brake pedal isn't pressed. This only works with power.

So if you don't have the key, and/or the battery is flat doing anything without a fork lift starts to look alot like work ::)
Exactly the same as my astra.
But I think there's a release tab under the selector cover.
If only ;D

I forgot, for good measure, Mercedes saw fit to bond the selector with the key, ignition barrel and engine ecu. Which is nice. Until one of them breaks ::)
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« Reply #42 on: 29 March 2021, 22:52:44 »

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So if you don't have the key, and/or the battery is flat doing anything without a fork lift starts to look alot like work ::)

I wish I'd taken more notice now, but at Mercedes, they'd just unloaded a dead car with a remote controlled vehicle lift. The driver said it was just about the only way to retrieve dead cars from multi-storey car parks where they can't get the recovery vehicle to the stranded vehicle.

It was something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZDqO1l9ItQ
Oh how I'd love one of those when people park all over the place here. You could hardly do it on the quiet though  ;D
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« Reply #43 on: 29 March 2021, 23:17:54 »

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Oh how I'd love one of those when people park all over the place here. You could hardly do it on the quiet though  ;D
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« Reply #44 on: 29 March 2021, 23:36:08 »

Impressive 8)
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« Reply #45 on: 29 March 2021, 23:51:17 »

Judicious use of wheel dollies and a winch from some of Nick Ws recollections ;)


only after several phone calls to convince the owner that their breakdown cover doesn't pay the 100 for the use of a pair of skates. Which most of our trucks didn't carry. Skates are considered specialist equipment, as is winching an immobile car.


There are two common types of skates: four independently steerable wheels, or two fixed and two steerable. The first become utterly unpredictable as soon as you apply some pull, and the second break at that point. If you do get skates as far as the end of the bed, it will swipe the wheels off the skate. I hate the bloody things.


I still like the old-school use of a plastic wheeltrim under each locked wheel :y


Always park your car with the front wheels straight. This reduces the load on the steering lock(do try not to apply it), and if for some reason the key doesn't work will make winching the car a lot more feasible. If they are turned, you'll be paying another 100 for a second pair of skates. Extensive swearing is included in the price....
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« Reply #46 on: 29 March 2021, 23:54:15 »

Impressive 8)


it's got broken in the corner of the workshop written all over it.
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« Reply #47 on: 30 March 2021, 00:26:35 »

Perhaps, and I wonder how it would cope if the car was the other way around...  :-\
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« Reply #48 on: 30 March 2021, 08:22:29 »

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I still like the old-school use of a plastic wheeltrim under each locked wheel :y

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I'll remember that .... keep it simple etc  :y
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« Reply #49 on: 30 March 2021, 08:23:58 »

Perhaps, and I wonder how it would cope if the car was the other way around...  :-\

or if the car was a taller 4x4 ... there wasn't much room left above it  :-\
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« Reply #50 on: 30 March 2021, 09:00:12 »

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I still like the old-school use of a plastic wheeltrim under each locked wheel :y

 ....

I'll remember that .... keep it simple etc  :y


I've nothing against complicated if it works better. Skates are meant to move immobile vehicles small distances in smooth floors, they're not good at loading them onto ramps or trucks.


A couple of wheeltrims works better for that, and saves you having to buy 40 worth of castors every couple of times you use skates.


Getting cars out of car parks, garages etc  is always interesting. If you're doing that because of lost keys, then a locksmith is less work, less chance of damaging the car, usually quicker and cheaper. And it actually solves the problem rather than the symptom.
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« Reply #51 on: 02 April 2021, 19:32:33 »

NOCO Boost XL GB50 1500 Amp 12-Volt UltraSafe Portable Lithium Jump Starter

Found them on Amazon & Halfords for 145

Decided to go for it when credit card resets (gives me nearly 60 days credit)  deccided on the hard wire kit as well.

Whilst monitoring it went out of stock at Amazon, then became available for 122.51 and went back out of stock.

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« Reply #52 on: 04 April 2021, 13:04:34 »

NOCO Boost XL GB50 1500 Amp 12-Volt UltraSafe Portable Lithium Jump Starter

Found them on Amazon & Halfords for 145

Decided to go for it when credit card resets (gives me nearly 60 days credit)  deccided on the hard wire kit as well.

Whilst monitoring it went out of stock at Amazon, then became available for 122.51 and went back out of stock.

So who bought them all? :D :D :D
Maybe the stock is a bit north of Suez. On the Great Bitter Lake, pending completion of the inspection of the Ever Given.
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« Reply #53 on: 05 April 2021, 20:50:34 »

Quick question

Anyone know the bolt diameter on the battery terminal clamps .

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« Reply #54 on: 05 April 2021, 21:15:28 »

Quick question

Anyone know the bolt diameter on the battery terminal clamps .

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It's been a while since I've ben under an Omega bonnet, but pretty sure they're M6 ..... (10mm spanner to remove them)
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« Reply #55 on: 05 April 2021, 21:42:08 »

M6, just like millions of other battery clamps.
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« Reply #56 on: 05 April 2021, 21:51:22 »

M6, just like millions of other battery clamps.

but M8s are not unheard of  ;)
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« Reply #57 on: 05 April 2021, 22:32:02 »

Cheers, From memory I thought they were M6 :y
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