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Excellent wheel refurb.
« on: 25 March 2021, 16:18:35 »

Had 4 new tyres on the Range Rover a fortnight ago & had the best of the old tyres put on to a 5th alloy that came with the car , the guy said it was a bit scruffy compared to the others which I had to agree with said he could sort it for 20, he dropped the wheel round to me about 10 minutes ago it looks absolutely as new , what a bargain ..😀
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #1 on: 25 March 2021, 17:02:19 »

Had 4 new tyres on the Range Rover a fortnight ago & had the best of the old tyres put on to a 5th alloy that came with the car , the guy said it was a bit scruffy compared to the others which I had to agree with said he could sort it for 20, he dropped the wheel round to me about 10 minutes ago it looks absolutely as new , what a bargain ..😀

Yes....a good refurb can make a huge difference to a car. i have been thinking about this myself but the alloys are pretty well unmarked apart from a few minor dinks.
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« Reply #2 on: 25 March 2021, 17:50:17 »

When I had my 190e Merc back in 2006/7 I had all 4 refurbished for 220, when this young lad said he could sort it for 20 I expected just a good clean up, but it's like new repainted and kerb marks all gone.👌
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #3 on: 25 March 2021, 17:57:43 »

Going rate around here is 70-75 per wheel.
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #4 on: 25 March 2021, 18:25:16 »

Could be a 'Smart' repair for that sort of money, as opposed to a full tyre off, acid dip strip back and powder coat. Smart repair is outer face only tidy up with the tyre still on. My lad used to do that when he had his paintless dent repair business and it tidies them up. I had to have a full strip back on all of mine though as the lacquer was flaking around the bead, causing the tyre to slowly lose pressure. The refurb was excellent, the wheels looked like new and it sorted the tyre bead, but all four cost me just over 200 by a company that WIM used to use. Still looked good over five years later.  :y
The main thing is that you're happy with the end result, so nice one.  :y
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« Reply #5 on: 25 March 2021, 18:38:10 »

Could be a 'Smart' repair for that sort of money, as opposed to a full tyre off, acid dip strip back and powder coat. Smart repair is outer face only tidy up with the tyre still on. My lad used to do that when he had his paintless dent repair business and it tidies them up. I had to have a full strip back on all of mine though as the lacquer was flaking around the bead, causing the tyre to slowly lose pressure. The refurb was excellent, the wheels looked like new and it sorted the tyre bead, but all four cost me just over 200 by a company that WIM used to use. Still looked good over five years later.  :y
The main thing is that you're happy with the end result, so nice one.  :y


I think that you are probably right it does look good now, a real shame to put it in the cradle underneath.
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #6 on: 25 March 2021, 19:46:40 »

There's wheel refurbs and wheel refurbs. Usually for around 40, they break the bead of the tyre to rim, put a plastic shield under the edge of the rim, and set to work with an orbital sander to 'sand' the damage out. Its then sprayed in the back of a van or workshop. Sanding the rim like this looses the profile of the  rim, and the quality / thickness of paint is poor and quite thin relative to powder coating and certainly not as durable.
For double that figure, the rims are dipped, totally stripped and then any damage is alloy welded, and then reprofiled to the original, before powder coating.
The former is the cheap repair that many mid range main dealers perform to prep cars for sale; once driven off the forecourt they tend not to be interested how long it lasts. The latter is usually done when the wheels are sent to a specialist wheel repairer for refurbing.
I certainly know which type of wherl refurb I would go for...
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« Reply #7 on: 25 March 2021, 19:56:32 »

It's a spare that's going to be under the car in a cradle, so will get covered in crap, so this will do for me a quick hose off if it's ever used.
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« Reply #8 on: 26 March 2021, 11:54:17 »

If you want wheels repairing, Birmingham Powder Coating. I can't beat the prices. If you pay for wheel repair around the West Mids, odds on they are taking it here. In fact a local place to me charges a nominal fee to take your wheels, remove tyres, take them down there for fixing and put your tyres back on when they are returned. They will also lend you a set of wheels to keep you moving.
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #9 on: 26 March 2021, 13:32:10 »

Last time I took a wheel to get a quote on a refurb - which did admittedly include a flatspot repair - they wanted 200 :o. Although they didn't seem that keen on doing it, I get a feeling they were worried about colour matching with the other wheels. So that might have just priced it stupid.
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« Reply #10 on: 26 March 2021, 13:39:41 »

Could be a 'Smart' repair for that sort of money, as opposed to a full tyre off, acid dip strip back and powder coat. Smart repair is outer face only tidy up with the tyre still on. My lad used to do that when he had his paintless dent repair business and it tidies them up. I had to have a full strip back on all of mine though as the lacquer was flaking around the bead, causing the tyre to slowly lose pressure. The refurb was excellent, the wheels looked like new and it sorted the tyre bead, but all four cost me just over 200 by a company that WIM used to use. Still looked good over five years later.  :y
The main thing is that you're happy with the end result, so nice one.  :y
Tell me more about the Smart repair, as the spokes on my Pussy ones look like a bit of corrosion has got under the lacquer.

I've used that WIM recommended place before - great job - but I've no way to have all 4 wheels off the car at the same time for a week or 2.
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« Reply #11 on: 26 March 2021, 14:32:07 »

Could be a 'Smart' repair for that sort of money, as opposed to a full tyre off, acid dip strip back and powder coat. Smart repair is outer face only tidy up with the tyre still on. My lad used to do that when he had his paintless dent repair business and it tidies them up. I had to have a full strip back on all of mine though as the lacquer was flaking around the bead, causing the tyre to slowly lose pressure. The refurb was excellent, the wheels looked like new and it sorted the tyre bead, but all four cost me just over 200 by a company that WIM used to use. Still looked good over five years later.  :y
The main thing is that you're happy with the end result, so nice one.  :y
Tell me more about the Smart repair, as the spokes on my Pussy ones look like a bit of corrosion has got under the lacquer.

I've used that WIM recommended place before - great job - but I've no way to have all 4 wheels off the car at the same time for a week or 2.

Smart repair is pretty much as johnnydog explained. They insert plastic under the tyre rim and treat any dinks, kerb rash or flaky bits prior to painting. It's a tidy up option on the outer face only normally, mainly used to make vehicles on the garage forecourt look nice.  :y

Two trolley jacks and two axle stands here if you want to borrow them.  :y  I'm in Bicester a fair bit for essential business and you're not much further away, so if you go for it let me know...... or I have space on my drive for an abandoned Jaaaaag with no wheels on.  :y ;D  I'm sure that the full acid dip, strip, treat and powder coat on mine at the place that WIM used was around the 50 mark back in 2014/2015'ish. They charged extra for any repairs required (in my case there was no damage other than flaking lacquer), plus extra if you dropped the car off and left it there for them to take the wheels off. They did do a decent job though.  :y
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« Reply #12 on: 26 March 2021, 14:44:43 »

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I had to have a full strip back on all of mine though as the lacquer was flaking ..........

On that subject, there's some stuff on the market called 'Wonder Wheels'. It's been about for many years and is aptly named, because after you've used it you 'Wonder' where your lacquer has gone.  ::)
Good for cleaning the patio though.  :y
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« Reply #13 on: 26 March 2021, 16:03:28 »

Could be a 'Smart' repair for that sort of money, as opposed to a full tyre off, acid dip strip back and powder coat. Smart repair is outer face only tidy up with the tyre still on. My lad used to do that when he had his paintless dent repair business and it tidies them up. I had to have a full strip back on all of mine though as the lacquer was flaking around the bead, causing the tyre to slowly lose pressure. The refurb was excellent, the wheels looked like new and it sorted the tyre bead, but all four cost me just over 200 by a company that WIM used to use. Still looked good over five years later.  :y
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Tell me more about the Smart repair, as the spokes on my Pussy ones look like a bit of corrosion has got under the lacquer.

I've used that WIM recommended place before - great job - but I've no way to have all 4 wheels off the car at the same time for a week or 2.
Wheel Works in Crawley can do them 'while you wait'. obviously you pay a premium for the speed, but it's still a full refurb.

https://www.wheelworksuk.co.uk/

The smart repairs have consequences... as an example, my last Insignificant had 20" wheels. these were a bit shabby, so I asked for them to be refurbished as part of the sale.

I required four new tyres in as many months from side wall failures, first discovered by having a puncture repaired... whilst a legal repair, the side walls were trashed inside the tyre. A blow out and two other replacements later (all 4 tyres) and they were all found to have the same degradation on the outer sidewall taken to be from the smart repairer knocking the outer sidewall off the bead to 'repair' the wheel faces.

I'd expect a 20 wheel repair to be as good as a 1 car wash.
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« Reply #14 on: 26 March 2021, 16:48:44 »

My Sportstars were done by Wheel Genie next door to SOS

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« Reply #15 on: 26 March 2021, 17:43:29 »

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I had to have a full strip back on all of mine though as the lacquer was flaking ..........

On that subject, there's some stuff on the market called 'Wonder Wheels'. It's been about for many years and is aptly named, because after you've used it you 'Wonder' where your lacquer has gone.  ::)
Good for cleaning the patio though.  :y
I would suspect that the shit the Koso's use on the rare occasions it gets close to a sponge is neat acid ;D
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« Reply #16 on: 29 March 2021, 13:42:04 »

Pristine Alloy Wheel Refurbishers Ltd in Milton Keynes do an excellent job back to factory finish / profile whether powder coated or diamond cut. They redid all my 6 spoke alloys on my 2003 Elite - not because they had kerb damage, but they were flaking in the inside edge due to alloy corrosion. Did a brilliant job. They collected the wheels too and returned them when finished at around 85 a wheel.
They used to do all the 'proper' refurbs (not the cheap crap wheel cover ups) for my local Audi dealership and did my Omega wheels for me booked through Audi.
Demon Wheels in Preston do a first class job too, reprofiling to original if kerbed and a perfect colour match to the original at around 90 per wheel.
Good wheel refurbishers are everywhere now, but I would go off recommendation or go and see some of their work and the set up first.
You get what you pay for - a cheap 'man in a van' job or a proper back to original finish.
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« Reply #17 on: 29 March 2021, 20:08:39 »

Pristine Alloy Wheel Refurbishers Ltd in Milton Keynes
They were the ones that wanted 200 on one of my Jag wheels.
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« Reply #18 on: 29 March 2021, 20:54:01 »

Must have spoken to the 'wrong' person or they didn't to do the job. Usually the case with sky high quotes.
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« Reply #19 on: 29 March 2021, 22:41:01 »

Must have spoken to the 'wrong' person or they didn't to do the job. Usually the case with sky high quotes.
It was my usual contact there - I work nearby, and wreck wheels at an alarming rate.  But when I queried when it was 200 rather than the usual 40-50, and their response was because it was a 20" wheel.  But I get the feeling it was they didn't what to do it.  It needed a flat spot rolled out, which they have done countless times for me before, seeing as TBE runs on chocolate Irmscher Sportstars.

As an extra 150-160 seems excessive just because the wheel size increased from 18" to 20".
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« Reply #20 on: 29 March 2021, 22:47:22 »

Wheel Works would want 408 all in to do all four in a day if you take the car in...  :-X
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« Reply #21 on: 29 March 2021, 22:52:43 »

Wheel Works would want 408 all in to do all four in a day if you take the car in...  :-X
Yeah, no idea why Pristine were being such arses.  Although in the last 5 years or so, they have been up their own arses.

As long as the wheels don't need repairing, and I can take just the wheels, I do know of somewhere quite reasonable that did the wheels on the Silver Bullet for a very good price and made a great job :)
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« Reply #22 on: 29 March 2021, 23:13:13 »

Obviously if you can do without the wheels for a spell, then the price drops accordingly ;)
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« Reply #23 on: 30 March 2021, 00:18:42 »

Obviously if you can do without the wheels for a spell, then the price drops accordingly ;)
Yeah, exactly :)

The hassle is finding a way to keep a car lifted off the ground without wheels on.  I'm not comfortable enough with stands for that, esp given JLR's warnings about ensuring it stays flat when being lifted.
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« Reply #24 on: 30 March 2021, 06:51:04 »

Obviously if you can do without the wheels for a spell, then the price drops accordingly ;)
Yeah, exactly :)

The hassle is finding a way to keep a car lifted off the ground without wheels on.  I'm not comfortable enough with stands for that, esp given JLR's warnings about ensuring it stays flat when being lifted.
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« Reply #25 on: 30 March 2021, 09:13:38 »

.........
As long as the wheels don't need repairing, and I can take just the wheels, I do know of somewhere quite reasonable that did the wheels on the Silver Bullet for a very good price and made a great job :)

The place you are talking of does carry out some repairs.  :y

Extract from their website.  :y

Repair work (such as welding and straightening) can be undertaken subject to assessment,
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« Reply #26 on: 30 March 2021, 09:58:14 »

For info, one of the main causes of alloy corrosion is high iron content brake pads...........
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« Reply #27 on: 30 March 2021, 11:12:04 »

For info, one of the main causes of alloy corrosion is high iron content brake pads...........

The problem with that is knowing which pads do and which don't have high iron content. It's not like they have food type labels on them!
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« Reply #28 on: 30 March 2021, 12:01:43 »

For info, one of the main causes of alloy corrosion is high iron content brake pads...........

The problem with that is knowing which pads do and which don't have high iron content. It's not like they have food type labels on them!

You have to research it a bit, by default all the cheap stuff does have a high iron content (it is cheaper to make and reduces brake squeal), you have to find them with a high ceramic content instead (some sites do mention the pad composition).

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« Reply #29 on: 30 March 2021, 12:13:30 »

.........
As long as the wheels don't need repairing, and I can take just the wheels, I do know of somewhere quite reasonable that did the wheels on the Silver Bullet for a very good price and made a great job :)

The place you are talking of does carry out some repairs.  :y

Extract from their website.  :y

Repair work (such as welding and straightening) can be undertaken subject to assessment,
Obviously the ones I've taken down there - and Irmscher Sportstar flat spotted due to a pothole, and a Jag one, also flatspotted due to a pothole - must have been a bit too much for what they were prepared to do.

Pristine were happy to do the Irmscher, but suspect purposely priced out the Jag one possibly because it was too bad....   ...though to me the Irmscher one was the one I thought would be unrepairable ;D
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« Reply #30 on: 30 March 2021, 12:16:07 »

For info, one of the main causes of alloy corrosion is high iron content brake pads...........

The problem with that is knowing which pads do and which don't have high iron content. It's not like they have food type labels on them!

You have to research it a bit, by default all the cheap stuff does have a high iron content (it is cheaper to make and reduces brake squeal), you have to find them with a high ceramic content instead (some sites do mention the pad composition).
Fair to say that the once big brands but now exclusive to euroshite, like Pagid, fall into the high iron category?

What about offical JLR ones?  Although I would baulk at the 150 the dealer quoted me for a set, with discounts. Especially at the rate I get through them.
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« Reply #31 on: 30 March 2021, 12:19:51 »

It might be more cost effective to take a defensive driving course ::)
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« Reply #32 on: 30 March 2021, 13:27:45 »

It might be more cost effective to look out of the windscreen ::)

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« Reply #33 on: 30 March 2021, 15:28:28 »

The JLR ones are high ceramic content, no idea who makes them but, likely to be ATE or TRW given that's where most of the brake setup comes from.

I note the likes of Jurid, EBC, ATE and TRW make high ceramic content pads
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #34 on: 30 March 2021, 17:43:08 »

It might be more cost effective to look out of the windscreen ::)

FTFY!  ;D
Every brake application should be a full on emergency stop.  Anything else is just getting in the way ;D
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #35 on: 30 March 2021, 18:34:54 »

Obviously if you can do without the wheels for a spell, then the price drops accordingly ;)
Yeah, exactly :)

The hassle is finding a way to keep a car lifted off the ground without wheels on.  I'm not comfortable enough with stands for that, esp given JLR's warnings about ensuring it stays flat when being lifted.
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #36 on: 30 March 2021, 19:30:21 »

Obviously if you can do without the wheels for a spell, then the price drops accordingly ;)
Yeah, exactly :)

The hassle is finding a way to keep a car lifted off the ground without wheels on.  I'm not comfortable enough with stands for that, esp given JLR's warnings about ensuring it stays flat when being lifted.
www.liverpoolwheelremovalexperts.com
Presume they send you a pile of bricks Steve.  ;)
They come and do it for you, Ron. No appointment necessary, they just turn up.
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Re: Excellent wheel refurb.
« Reply #37 on: 30 March 2021, 19:59:05 »

What about offical JLR ones?  Although I would baulk at the 150 the dealer quoted me for a set, with discounts. Especially at the rate I get through them.

They certainly don't generate much dust, but the disks always looked really glazed, no matter how enthusiastically they were used. Hence mine currently wears a set of Mintex pads to restore the condition of them, and they have improved the pedal feel quite a bit.  :-\
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