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[Proz]

nonsense morrisons are by far the worse for these stupid ideas

they wont sell lucozade to under 16s!

You are kidding surely .... thats just utter stupidity  :-/

[tmx]

nope honestly a good few years ago i attepted to purchase a bottle of lucozade in the hereford morrisons and got turned away as i looked under 16!

company policy apparently!

[Dusty]

This all started some months ago, with also adults purchasing 'over 18' DVD's being questioned when accompanied by children!!

At that time on this Forum I vowed to cut up my Tesco Clubcard and cease using their stores; this I did and never use them now!

They have not been elected by the people to be our moral guardians, and certainly have no legal authority to act against adults legal purchasing goods!

You are absolutely right Lizzie. I hate shopping at Tesco's at any time, and this only goes to prove why!

Tescos has become too big for its own good, and has started to Police the nation.

As long as the person purchasing is over 18, they have fulfilled their responsibility. They have no right to make moral judgements about how we choose to drink it, or who we choose to give it to!!. Most people would introduce alcohol gradually to children and do it in a responsible way. It is not up to Tesco to meddle in family life.

 

[maria]

I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner

[willyboy]

Next it will be glass type pop bottles as it may be used as a weapon !!!

Remember once in check in at airport they asked my wife to open up her handbag & in it she had several personal items including the smallest mini screwdriver in a kit for tightening spectacle frames FF sake took it off her & left me stood there with a bunch of keys inc car keys that were far more like a weapon ...........Crazy rules !!

[Kevin Wood]

The only thing these companies like more than moulding our lives the way they think they ought to be is counting their profits. If you don't like it vote with your feet, and support your local butcher, greengrocer, baker, etc. You'll soon realise by the taste what dreadful food the big supermatkets sell too.

An old one, but it'll come true one day:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfSi0D7KESk

Kevin

[FRE07962128]

I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner

That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life!

You have rightly decided to do this in your own home   and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!!

[hotel21]

I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner

That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life!

You have rightly decided to do this in your own home   and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!!

I enjoy a small sherry on rare social occassions and, as a result, keep one or two dry sacks and amontilado's in the cocktail cabinet - for visitors, you understand...

Always took the view with my kids that its there if you want it, whenever, just let me know so I can supervise.

To us, it removed the 'taboo' or 'must be good if we are not allowed' thing and resulted in a pair of first class, switched on adults who respect alcohol as the demon that it is - and I mean the latter comment wholeheartedly.

Conversely, i also see the tesco side.  It is an ofence to knowingly suplly alcohol to those under age.  That chain extends from the licencee - be it pub, offy or Tesco - through ALL staff down to the girls on the tills.  If found doing wrong, its the licencee thats done, not necessarily those taking the cash.....

[Vamps]

I often buy beer / wine / spirits with a 4 and 1 year old with me


Whats next, that enough to stop me being served?

If so Tesco will be picking all my shopping off the floor and restacking their shelves!

[/highlight]

That would be exactly what I would do, my daughter is welcome to a taste of my Whisky if she wants to, but she stopped drinking it when she was 3

[FRE07962128]

I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner

That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life!

You have rightly decided to do this in your own home   and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!!

I enjoy a small sherry on rare social occassions and, as a result, keep one or two dry sacks and amontilado's in the cocktail cabinet - for visitors, you understand...

Always took the view with my kids that its there if you want it, whenever, just let me know so I can supervise.

To us, it removed the 'taboo' or 'must be good if we are not allowed' thing and resulted in a pair of first class, switched on adults who respect alcohol as the demon that it is - and I mean the latter comment wholeheartedly.

Conversely, i also see the tesco side.  It is an ofence to knowingly suplly alcohol to those under age.  That chain extends from the licencee - be it pub, offy or Tesco - through ALL staff down to the girls on the tills.  If found doing wrong, its the licencee thats done, not necessarily those taking the cash.....

But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol,  purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.

As with the sale of cigarettes it is  the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items.  As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.  

As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer  has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with.

This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the  law.

[hotel21]

I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner

That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life!

You have rightly decided to do this in your own home   and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!!

I enjoy a small sherry on rare social occassions and, as a result, keep one or two dry sacks and amontilado's in the cocktail cabinet - for visitors, you understand...

Always took the view with my kids that its there if you want it, whenever, just let me know so I can supervise.

To us, it removed the 'taboo' or 'must be good if we are not allowed' thing and resulted in a pair of first class, switched on adults who respect alcohol as the demon that it is - and I mean the latter comment wholeheartedly.

Conversely, i also see the tesco side.  It is an ofence to knowingly suplly alcohol to those under age.  That chain extends from the licencee - be it pub, offy or Tesco - through ALL staff down to the girls on the tills.  If found doing wrong, its the licencee thats done, not necessarily those taking the cash.....

But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol,  purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.

As with the sale of cigarettes it is  the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items.  As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.  

As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer  has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with.

This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the  law.

Unless things have changed recently (or are different in England and Wales) if the member of staff has a suspicion - suspicion, mark you - that the person to whom they are selling alcohol may further supply that alcohol to a minor, then the licencee is the one who is held to book with the assistant being a witness in the case. (or thats how I was always taught the Licencing (Scotland) Act anyway)  If a licencee wishes to reduce that risk of prosecution then draconian measures such as reported are the end result.

[Ian_D]

Ive seen something like this in tesco a few momths back (when I was at college)

Someone was refused a few cans of beer... he looked like he was in his late twenties and the woman on the checkout was just stuck up her own bottom!

[FRE07962128]

I only give my daughter wine every now then and its only 4% and its the light lambrusco and she only has the one glass, i want her to grow up to have it in small quantities and like to say that i don't drink wine all that much only when i fancy it which is very rare , I wouldn't want my daughter thinking that you need to get drunk on any alcohol and that i want her to have a sensible attitude and she only haves it with her dinner

That is exactly the way it should be Maria with you as a responsible parent educating their child on alcohol consumption as you do with food and everything else in their life!

You have rightly decided to do this in your own home   and it is down to no one else to be involved, especially not bloody Tesco's in your moral and legal judgements!!

I enjoy a small sherry on rare social occassions and, as a result, keep one or two dry sacks and amontilado's in the cocktail cabinet - for visitors, you understand...

Always took the view with my kids that its there if you want it, whenever, just let me know so I can supervise.

To us, it removed the 'taboo' or 'must be good if we are not allowed' thing and resulted in a pair of first class, switched on adults who respect alcohol as the demon that it is - and I mean the latter comment wholeheartedly.

Conversely, i also see the tesco side.  It is an ofence to knowingly suplly alcohol to those under age.  That chain extends from the licencee - be it pub, offy or Tesco - through ALL staff down to the girls on the tills.  If found doing wrong, its the licencee thats done, not necessarily those taking the cash.....

But that does not and cannot apply to a person over the age of 18 who stands in front of you, who is not excessively under the influence of alcohol,  purchasing alcohol within the constraints of the law hotel21.

As with the sale of cigarettes it is  the responsibility of the person actually selling the product to be satisfied that the member of the public purchasing the said product meets the legal criteria on the sales of such items.  As a retail member of staff that is your responsibility, and as a senior manager within that same company (which I was and a holder of a liquor licence to cover my responsibilities over multiple convenience stores selling alcohol) I was responsible for the actions of all my staff (3,500!), but it was the member of staff and my company that would be prosecuted for any breach, which indeed a member of staff or so were in selling both cigarettes and alcohol to minors.  

As a retailer though you are not held legally responsible for how that adult customer  has acted or actioned with the product subsequent to purchase providing the original legal criteria on the selling of it has been complied with.

This must be the limit of all retailers concerns, including Tesco who are no different from the rest and are equal in the eyes of the  law.

Unless things have changed recently (or are different in England and Wales) if the member of staff has a suspicion - suspicion, mark you - that the person to whom they are selling alcohol may further supply that alcohol to a minor, then the licencee is the one who is held to book with the assistant being a witness in the case. (or thats how I was always taught the Licencing (Scotland) Act anyway)  If a licencee wishes to reduce that risk of prosecution then draconian measures such as reported are the end result.

No that has always been the case

But that could apply to every sale you make of alcohol or cigarettes so it is considered unreasonable in a court of law for a member of staff to be expected to make that judgement when all other legal criteria is being met and the adult being served is clearly in a fit state to purchase such product.  If the member of staff hears a comment for example by the adult to a child ".....you can have some of this drink / a cigerette when we get outside / are at home" then of course the sale must be ceased, but if the sale proceeds then a criminal offence is deemed to have transpired .  Without such evidence of actions being contemplated then the member of staff can only reasonably assume that the purchasing adult will consume the product responsibly within the legal criteria.

I would be doubtful if there has ever been a legal precedent of a proved case of any member of retail staff selling restricted product when there was that "suspicion" of a subsequent illegal act transpiring.  I have only ever known staff / companies being prosecuted when there is clear evidence that the product is being bought and consumed by a minor.

However if there has been such a recorded case I would be interested to know.

[Vamps]

Just a little thought, are some of the checkout people under 18, what happens then.?

[Growler]

Ive seen something like this in tesco a few momths back (when I was at college)

Someone was refused a few cans of beer... he looked like he was in his late twenties and the woman on the checkout was just stuck up her own bottom!

That's exactly where those cans would of ended up had she had done that to me.