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Re: Liverpool Women's
« Reply #45 on: 17 November 2021, 13:37:44 »

No, we don't agree. You say that they should have labels ie 'the diversity sector' (FFS, really >:() because they are different. You may as well call it 'The Mutant Zone'.

I say it's the labels that highlight and isolate everyone. It's you and your ilk, (misguided do gooders fearful of melting snowflakes), that cause these abhorrent, devicive policies to come to fruition.

What!!!

Have you been drinking again?! :o :o :o

Where the hell do I say the Diverse sector should have labels?  I have said the opposite, and the Diverse sector is only there  because of others failure to accept their "differences" with the main sector of society.

I repeat................"If everyone just forgot the differences of individuals in all ways then the Diversity sector, like the LGBT and BLAM movements, would not have to exist.  There would be no need for them if we just accepted everyone is different; some have different coloured skin, others are gay, and so on.  Live and let live is what I keep on saying :y :y :y"

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Re: Liverpool Women's
« Reply #46 on: 17 November 2021, 13:43:02 »

Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.

Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.

And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
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« Reply #47 on: 17 November 2021, 13:58:40 »

In university debating, the first team to mention Hitler or the Nazi's loses by default. It's a rule I try to stick to when arguing any disputable point  :y

It was not at my uni when reading and debating 20th century history, far from it.  Especially when the room was blessed by international students and the debates covered their former USSR states, Stalin, Hitler, and how their grandparents / parents now felt about all of it. 

Study and debate of the philosophers, like Plato, Hobbes, Machiavelli and Nietzsche, in connection with 20th century history also frequently brought up the subject of Hitler and the Nazis generally.

No one can avoid THAT name in any debate based on that period of history, and before in the period from The Great War and WW2, then beyond that ;)

If you're debating historical figures or events relating to European middle 20th century history, then yes you can bring in anyone from history to illustrate your point. So comparing and contrasting Hitler to Stalin to Ghengis Kahn is tolerated.

But when discussing current people or events introducing 'them' is strictly verboten. In any argument comparing anything to 'them' it is assumed by default that 'they' were worse, and hence it is pointless comparing to them. Its the nuclear option, and hence not permitted. Same as what is colder than absolute zero or what happened before the big bang. Meaningless, and almost always meant as an insult rather than a valid debating point.
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Re: Liverpool Women's
« Reply #48 on: 17 November 2021, 15:00:16 »

Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.

Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.

And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
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« Reply #49 on: 17 November 2021, 15:29:53 »

Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.

Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.

And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X

You know I have mistyped and I meant BAME, but yet again you have to split hairs, faulting my every word and statement.  What is up with you? ::) ::) ::)

As others have said, childish nonsense that I should not rise to, and now must stop doing so!   :-X :-X :-X :-X
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« Reply #50 on: 17 November 2021, 15:53:01 »

In university debating, the first team to mention Hitler or the Nazi's loses by default. It's a rule I try to stick to when arguing any disputable point  :y

It was not at my uni when reading and debating 20th century history, far from it.  Especially when the room was blessed by international students and the debates covered their former USSR states, Stalin, Hitler, and how their grandparents / parents now felt about all of it. 

Study and debate of the philosophers, like Plato, Hobbes, Machiavelli and Nietzsche, in connection with 20th century history also frequently brought up the subject of Hitler and the Nazis generally.

No one can avoid THAT name in any debate based on that period of history, and before in the period from The Great War and WW2, then beyond that ;)

If you're debating historical figures or events relating to European middle 20th century history, then yes you can bring in anyone from history to illustrate your point. So comparing and contrasting Hitler to Stalin to Ghengis Kahn is tolerated.

But when discussing current people or events introducing 'them' is strictly verboten. In any argument comparing anything to 'them' it is assumed by default that 'they' were worse, and hence it is pointless comparing to them. Its the nuclear option, and hence not permitted. Same as what is colder than absolute zero or what happened before the big bang. Meaningless, and almost always meant as an insult rather than a valid debating point.

I was not comparing ANY current figure with Hitler, but only illustrating how attacking a minority can end, and considering how extreme the range can be of some human behavior, and the fine balance defining pure evil, mental illness, or just common "getting on" with life is. Hitler was just a single man who ended up causing havoc, with the assistance of others, due to his mind and what went on in it, but still got the masses to follow him.   

Where have I stated exactly that anyone in particular is like Hitler?  No, I have not and you have made the error of taking on board other peoples comments and not fully reading or comprehending what I actually wrote.  I suppose that is the danger of these intense debates on a car forum. ::)

It is clear by the comments by some on the OOF that they would love to "loose" Diversity and the people classed under that banner or label, which in fact I have explained should not be necessary in a fair and tolerant society.

I do not know what uni you went to, but at mine nothing was taboo when considering the philosophy and psychology of individuals in history and how they affected a small number of people, or whole states, that still effects us today.  It was always healthy debate with the subject of the philosophers featuring as their writings, coupled with modern thought, help to give an understanding of how humans have acted or reacted in history and how we all could all fair in the future. ;)
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« Reply #51 on: 17 November 2021, 16:22:30 »

I was not comparing ANY current figure with Hitler, but only illustrating how attacking a minority can end, and considering how extreme the range can be of some human behavior, and the fine balance defining pure evil, mental illness, or just common "getting on" with life is. Hitler was just a single man who ended up causing havoc, with the assistance of others, due to his mind and what went on in it, but still got the masses to follow him.   

Where have I stated exactly that anyone in particular is like Hitler?  No, I have not and you have made the error of taking on board other peoples comments and not fully reading or comprehending what I actually wrote.  I suppose that is the danger of these intense debates on a car forum. ::)

It is clear by the comments by some on the OOF that they would love to "loose" Diversity and the people classed under that banner or label, which in fact I have explained should not be necessary in a fair and tolerant society.

I do not know what uni you went to, but at mine nothing was taboo when considering the philosophy and psychology of individuals in history and how they affected a small number of people, or whole states, that still effects us today.  It was always healthy debate with the subject of the philosophers featuring as their writings, coupled with modern thought, help to give an understanding of how humans have acted or reacted in history and how we all could all fair in the future. ;)

I'm not talking about students debating amongst themselves in halls of residence, or in the JCR. I'm talking about proper debates at places like the Oxford or Cambridge unions.

You were the first to use the H word in this thread, and DG reacted to that. I don't agree with DG (or you) on a many of things in this thread, but under the rules of debate you would automatically lose. It's that simple as that at any proper university debating society.

It really doesn't matter why you brought it up - it's just not relevant to actions taken in the last week/month/year. If you can't win a debate without invoking the H word, then I'm afraid debating isn't for you. :-*
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Re: Liverpool Women's
« Reply #55 on: 17 November 2021, 18:23:34 »

Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.

Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.

And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X

You know I have mistyped and I meant BAME, but yet again you have to split hairs, faulting my every word and statement.  What is up with you? ::) ::) ::)

As others have said, childish nonsense that I should not rise to, and now must stop doing so!   :-X :-X :-X :-X
I didn't know you had mistyped anything... The letters are nowhere near each other ::)

And again you highlight the nonsense thinking behind such nomenclature... I wonder how Asian feel about being lumped in with Blacks or Afro Caribbeans with East African, and then dumped into the Pit of Divisity.
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Re: Liverpool Women's
« Reply #56 on: 17 November 2021, 19:22:58 »

Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.

Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.

And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X

You know I have mistyped and I meant BAME, but yet again you have to split hairs, faulting my every word and statement.  What is up with you? ::) ::) ::)

As others have said, childish nonsense that I should not rise to, and now must stop doing so!   :-X :-X :-X :-X
I didn't know you had mistyped anything... The letters are nowhere near each other ::)

And again you highlight the nonsense thinking behind such nomenclature... I wonder how Asian feel about being lumped in with Blacks or Afro Caribbeans with East African, and then dumped into the Pit of Divisity.
What's divinity? Did you mistype? Tee hee  ;D
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« Reply #57 on: 17 November 2021, 19:43:11 »

I meant divisity, I must have mistyped. Easy done, apparently  ;D
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« Reply #58 on: 17 November 2021, 19:45:22 »

Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.

Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.

And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
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Blue lives matter....x
All lives matter.......x
White lives matter..x
It's OK to be white..x .......considered to be hate speech

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« Reply #59 on: 17 November 2021, 20:12:34 »

I was not comparing ANY current figure with Hitler, but only illustrating how attacking a minority can end, and considering how extreme the range can be of some human behavior, and the fine balance defining pure evil, mental illness, or just common "getting on" with life is. Hitler was just a single man who ended up causing havoc, with the assistance of others, due to his mind and what went on in it, but still got the masses to follow him.   

Where have I stated exactly that anyone in particular is like Hitler?  No, I have not and you have made the error of taking on board other peoples comments and not fully reading or comprehending what I actually wrote.  I suppose that is the danger of these intense debates on a car forum. ::)

It is clear by the comments by some on the OOF that they would love to "loose" Diversity and the people classed under that banner or label, which in fact I have explained should not be necessary in a fair and tolerant society.

I do not know what uni you went to, but at mine nothing was taboo when considering the philosophy and psychology of individuals in history and how they affected a small number of people, or whole states, that still effects us today.  It was always healthy debate with the subject of the philosophers featuring as their writings, coupled with modern thought, help to give an understanding of how humans have acted or reacted in history and how we all could all fair in the future. ;)

I'm not talking about students debating amongst themselves in halls of residence, or in the JCR. I'm talking about proper debates at places like the Oxford or Cambridge unions.

You were the first to use the H word in this thread, and DG reacted to that. I don't agree with DG (or you) on a many of things in this thread, but under the rules of debate you would automatically lose. It's that simple as that at any proper university debating society.

It really doesn't matter why you brought it up - it's just not relevant to actions taken in the last week/month/year. If you can't win a debate without invoking the H word, then I'm afraid debating isn't for you. :-*

So you have been present at a those debates?

I know you have not because you would know that, especially the Oxford Union Debating Society, is well known for it’s highly controversial debates with speakers from all political and historical back ground, often breaking any so called “rules”.::Indeed only 2 weeks ago did a debate involving historian Andrew Graham-Dixon at the Oxford Union go disastrously wrong when he used language of, and imitated Hitler.

So you think debates at our universities, who are not Cambridge or Oxford, are just “students debating amongst themselves in halls of residence” and are lacking in credibility. How you do not know how modern universities perform, with full debates involving professors on their area of expertise, and sometimes guest speakers from government or other official body that invite active, informed, discussion.

How dare you belittle unis, such as mine, Canterbury Christ Church University, and come out with such tosh to try and raise the worth of your weak argument.  For your information I have spent my managerial years in numerous large scale debate, then further at university for 3 years, so I think I am well qualified to say debates are for me even in my now senior years! ::) ::) :D
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