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[Lizzie Zoom]

It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! 

Yes indeed. What did they expect.  There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”.  Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.

The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time!

[Sir Tigger KC]

It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! 

Yes indeed. What did they expect.  There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”.  Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.

The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time!

The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. 

Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured.  Especially the senior managers who let it all happen!   

[Lizzie Zoom]

It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! 

Yes indeed. What did they expect.  There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”.  Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.

The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time!

The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. 

Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured.  Especially the senior managers who let it all happen!   

The crucial and interesting fact of these delays, and anything else, will not help Boris convincing anyone that he is not guilty of all that has happened.  He will now be judged by the electorate no matter what comes out eventually. Emotions, anger, and plain distrust,  is hardening and this  will do nothing to assist this devalued PM and his government.

[Rangie]

I've every confidence that the truth will be revealed..😂😂😂

[ronnyd]

I've got a couple of whitewash brushes in my shed they can borrow.

[LC0112G]

What I can't work out is if Boris has something on Cressida Dickhead and is strong-arming her into police action, or Cressida Dickhead has something on Boris and therefore gets to keep her job for a while longer.

What would normally happen is that some junior civil servant is thrown under the bus and prosecuted. However, in this instance that prosecution is bound to fail (it's out of time), and therefore if the person being thrown under the bus isn't willing, they'll kick up a fuss (abuse of process). So you need someone who is willing to take the can, senior enough that the public can believe "justice has been done", and who isn't bothered about their reputational damage.

I just don't see how any abuse of public office charge works if the basis of the charge is the Covid Health regulations. You don't use a generic catch all common law offence to prosecute someone when there is a specific criminal offence covering it.   

[Sir Tigger KC]

It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! 

Yes indeed. What did they expect.  There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”.  Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.

The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time!

The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. 

Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured.  Especially the senior managers who let it all happen!   

The crucial and interesting fact of these delays, and anything else, will not help Boris convincing anyone that he is not guilty of all that has happened.  He will now be judged by the electorate no matter what comes out eventually. Emotions, anger, and plain distrust,  is hardening and this  will do nothing to assist this devalued PM and his government.

What is he guilty of though Lizzie? 

We know of three events that he attended, even though apparently No10 was some sort of continuous party house at the time.    There is the picture of him and his Mrs sat in the garden with a few others, all staff. There is the infamous garden party organised by a senior Civil Servant where he allegedly popped out for 20 minutes to thank the staff for their efforts, and the surprise birthday party organised by Mrs J which is hardly his fault.  He wasn't even on the property when the civil Servants held the big piss up on the eve of Prince Phillip's funeral where Wilf's slide got broken, he was at Chequers. 

So not a resigning issue in my view.  The media have again whipped up hysteria using information dished out by Dominic Cummings.  A man they despise and who they didn't believe a word he uttered a few months earlier, yet here they are hanging off his every word, and their useful idiots have fallen for the rhetoric hook, line and sinker. 

Europe is on the brink of war and these idiots think it's a good idea to be without a PM for two or three months while the Tories fight it out for the crown! 

[Lizzie Zoom]

It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! 

Yes indeed. What did they expect.  There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”.  Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.

The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time!

The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. 

Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured.  Especially the senior managers who let it all happen!   

The crucial and interesting fact of these delays, and anything else, will not help Boris convincing anyone that he is not guilty of all that has happened.  He will now be judged by the electorate no matter what comes out eventually. Emotions, anger, and plain distrust,  is hardening and this  will do nothing to assist this devalued PM and his government.

What is he guilty of though Lizzie? 

We know of three events that he attended, even though apparently No10 was some sort of continuous party house at the time.    There is the picture of him and his Mrs sat in the garden with a few others, all staff. There is the infamous garden party organised by a senior Civil Servant where he allegedly popped out for 20 minutes to thank the staff for their efforts, and the surprise birthday party organised by Mrs J which is hardly his fault.  He wasn't even on the property when the civil Servants held the big piss up on the eve of Prince Phillip's funeral where Wilf's slide got broken, he was at Chequers. 

So not a resigning issue in my view.  The media have again whipped up hysteria using information dished out by Dominic Cummings.  A man they despise and who they didn't believe a word he uttered a few months earlier, yet here they are hanging off his every word, and their useful idiots have fallen for the rhetoric hook, line and sinker. 

Europe is on the brink of war and these idiots think it's a good idea to be without a PM for two or three months while the Tories fight it out for the crown! 

Until the investigations are finalised, with reports being published, we the public cannot ascertain exactly what has transpired with the multiple parties, the leadership or not within No10, the racial discrimination, the alleged lying on numerous issues that Boris has been doing, let alone the funding issues with his flat (another lie it appears), but his lack of credibility is the overall charge being made, by not only outsiders, but senior Conservative MP’s themselves.

This is not what the Conservative Party, or of course, the Country needs. The delay of the reports will not help anyone but the opposition and the growing number of dis-believing, increasingly angry, electorates. But we cannot have a Prime Minister whose credibility is so damaged.  Other PM’s have been displaced for far less than this, IF it is all proved to be true.

As for the Ukrainian crisis, our PM is not the key factor in it all. Others in Government, or more importantly in the British security services, will deal with whatever transpires, but the UK’s importance is not what it was 80 years ago, and especially after 1956. The Americans, the UN, and NATO, will still do what they have to with or without our Buffoon of a PM. The massed ranks of our political elite will cover for him, whilst the military will do what they have the power to do if required.

But, the longer the Boris saga goes on for the more damaging for everyone. 

[Varche]

That is OK  I guess. Wait till Russia invades Ukraine 10th of Feb, same time as China attacks Taiwan. We ( not me) will all be watching the jollity of the Olympics on the artificial snow. The response? They will all be dithering. TV or response? 

Get Boris. At least we can understand that.

[STEMO]

For me, personally, Russia can have Ukraine and China can have Taiwan, there's very little anyone can do about it and I'm really not that bothered. As long as they don't bomb our chippy.

[Doctor Gollum]

For me, personally, Russia can have Ukraine and China can have Taiwan, there's very little anyone can do about it and I'm really not that bothered. As long as they don't turn the gas off at our chippy.

Nom, nom, nom

[STEMO]

For me, personally, Russia can have Ukraine and China can have Taiwan, there's very little anyone can do about it and I'm really not that bothered. As long as they don't turn the gas off at our chippy.

Nom, nom, nom

We don't import our gas from Russia and, if Germany and France suffer because of us sticking our noses in.......bonus! 

[Sir Tigger KC]

It's rather amusing that those who have been propagating this hysteria and who called for a police investigation from the start, are now cheesed off that now the police are involved, the civil servant's report is delayed precisely because of that investigation! 

Yes indeed. What did they expect.  There is nothing unusual about the police wishing to mount their criminal investigation and not wish for details to be made public before this is completed, and their findings being “prejudiced”.  Failures in following the correct legal procedures could result in any court action being severely hindered, with the very thing most people do not want, individuals ‘getting away with it’ for any crimes they committed.

The truth will be known eventually, even though it may give Boris more wriggle and blustering time!

The other thing that made me laugh was that the Civil Servants union said that its members names should be redacted from the report to protect them. 

Well seeing as it was the Civil Servants doing the partying and thus breaking the law they should be named, shamed and censured.  Especially the senior managers who let it all happen!   

The crucial and interesting fact of these delays, and anything else, will not help Boris convincing anyone that he is not guilty of all that has happened.  He will now be judged by the electorate no matter what comes out eventually. Emotions, anger, and plain distrust,  is hardening and this  will do nothing to assist this devalued PM and his government.

What is he guilty of though Lizzie? 

We know of three events that he attended, even though apparently No10 was some sort of continuous party house at the time.    There is the picture of him and his Mrs sat in the garden with a few others, all staff. There is the infamous garden party organised by a senior Civil Servant where he allegedly popped out for 20 minutes to thank the staff for their efforts, and the surprise birthday party organised by Mrs J which is hardly his fault.  He wasn't even on the property when the civil Servants held the big piss up on the eve of Prince Phillip's funeral where Wilf's slide got broken, he was at Chequers. 

So not a resigning issue in my view.  The media have again whipped up hysteria using information dished out by Dominic Cummings.  A man they despise and who they didn't believe a word he uttered a few months earlier, yet here they are hanging off his every word, and their useful idiots have fallen for the rhetoric hook, line and sinker. 

Europe is on the brink of war and these idiots think it's a good idea to be without a PM for two or three months while the Tories fight it out for the crown! 

Until the investigations are finalised, with reports being published, we the public cannot ascertain exactly what has transpired with the multiple parties, the leadership or not within No10, the racial discrimination, the alleged lying on numerous issues that Boris has been doing, let alone the funding issues with his flat (another lie it appears), but his lack of credibility is the overall charge being made, by not only outsiders, but senior Conservative MP’s themselves.

This is not what the Conservative Party, or of course, the Country needs. The delay of the reports will not help anyone but the opposition and the growing number of dis-believing, increasingly angry, electorates. But we cannot have a Prime Minister whose credibility is so damaged.  Other PM’s have been displaced for far less than this, IF it is all proved to be true.

As for the Ukrainian crisis, our PM is not the key factor in it all. Others in Government, or more importantly in the British security services, will deal with whatever transpires, but the UK’s importance is not what it was 80 years ago, and especially after 1956. The Americans, the UN, and NATO, will still do what they have to with or without our Buffoon of a PM. The massed ranks of our political elite will cover for him, whilst the military will do what they have the power to do if required.

But, the longer the Boris saga goes on for the more damaging for everyone. 

Apparently The Met are going to investigate eight separate incidents and that could take up to eighteen months or even a couple of years!   

In other news recently, only 6% of reported crimes are solved, result in an arrest and someone getting charged with their crime, so if Boris is guilty of cake, it's likely he'll get away with it! 

Think about this though. We are often told that the police don't have enough resources which is why violent crime, burglaries, domestic abuse, rape gangs, stabbings etc etc are all on the up, yet the Met have the resources to launch a detailed investigation into parties at No10 a couple of years ago which could take up to two years. Coincidentally, around the time of the next election. 

I wonder how much this will cost and how many coppers will be tied up with this effing nonsense!   

[STEMO]

You're right, of course, Tigger, but I think it's more a reflection on politics itself and, more generally, society at large. This country is like one giant social media account, with everybody wanting their say in just about everything. People expect instant answers to any question they might care to ask from politicians, police, the man in the corner shop and, the worse part of it is, the parties involved try to please them.
Most nights the news is more like a gossip column, not a factual insight.

Gone are the days when the government would, metaphorically, tell nosey Parker's to eff off, and state the official secrets act. I'm not saying those days were better......oh......yes, I am.

[Lizzie Zoom]

You're right, of course, Tigger, but I think it's more a reflection on politics itself and, more generally, society at large. This country is like one giant social media account, with everybody wanting their say in just about everything. People expect instant answers to any question they might care to ask from politicians, police, the man in the corner shop and, the worse part of it is, the parties involved try to please them.
Most nights the news is more like a gossip column, not a factual insight.

Gone are the days when the government would, metaphorically, tell nosey Parker's to eff off, and state the official secrets act. I'm not saying those days were better......oh......yes, I am.

Apart from other times in the past when the government of the day did not get away with just telling others that, there was also the ‘little’ affair when the PM lied to the Country, to Parliament, and crucially the Americans.  His lying involved getting another nation, Israel, to start a war to invade Egypt, and the French then the British armed forces to go in to ‘secure’ the Suez Canal from the Israelis. It all came to a head, with PM Anthony Eden leaving office in disgrace for lying, misleading the House, with his, and British, credibility shot to pieces.

In short you cannot have a proved liar, with his credibility ruined, at the head of HM Government. He MAY be proved to be innocent, or not.  Either way that is politics, that is life at the top of any creditable organisation, let alone GB UK. The buck stops at his / her office.