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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #90 on: 26 February 2022, 18:15:45 »

The US was self-sufficient for fuel.

Sippy Cup decided, in the name of environmental goodness to import oil from, amongst other places.

Now he cannot invoke restrictions on Russian international Bank transfers for two reasons...

1. He would then be unable to pay the Russians for their oil.

2. The Russians would cut the supply off if he tried. (arguably rendering point 1 moot).

Publically calling it a 'minor incursion' effectively gave Putin a green light, and the inability of Sippy Cup to go as far as required wrt sanctions suggests that he does not hold NATOs best interests in mind.

What Trump might or might not have done is irrelevant. Sanctions are currently our only weapon and should be used fully and swiftly to cripple Russia.

Once the next revolution dethrones Putin we can assist with rebuilding their economy.
Are you gonna tell us, or do we have to guess?  ;D
When he signed the bill that included killing the Keystone pipeline dead...

The US went from being self sufficient to dependent upon Russian oil with the stroke of a pen.

As long as Sippy Cup and the Germans are dependent on Russian fuel they are unable to fully support any NATO action, be that economically or militarily.
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #91 on: 26 February 2022, 18:47:49 »

The thing that will affect Putin most is that Russia has been removed from the Eurovision song contest , I believe he was a very big fan..😂
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #92 on: 26 February 2022, 19:00:18 »

The thing that will affect Putin most is that Russia has been removed from the Eurovision song contest , I believe he was a very big fan..😂

Today Poland have refused to play Russia in their World Cup qualifier so it will be interesting to see how FIFA respond.

They should of course swiftly kick Russia out of the competition, but....  ::)
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #93 on: 26 February 2022, 19:46:05 »

The thing that will affect Putin most is that Russia has been removed from the Eurovision song contest , I believe he was a very big fan..😂

Today Poland have refused to play Russia in their World Cup qualifier so it will be interesting to see how FIFA respond.

They should of course swiftly kick Russia out of the competition, but....  ::)

And very importantly the usually pro-Russian Hungarian President has agreed to support UN sanctions against his friend. Also Turkey, whilst trying to broker a ceasefire, is talking of blocking the movement  of Russian warships through to the Black Sea.

Another sign that things may be starting to go politically wrong for Putin, is not only global public opinion against him personally, but also fast growing protests in Russia itself.  Obviously to protest in Russia is dangerous, but news is spreading fast amongst Russians, many who have family and friends in Ukraine, about exactly what Putin is doing which apparently is going down badly.

Now the Russians may be under the gosh of Putin and his cronies, but they do like revolutionary change. 1917 saw them get rid of a Tsar, then the fall of the Soviet Union was from within as that regime imploded.  Putin is now pushing his luck, and will increasingly do so everyday that his invasion is slowed down, publicly spoken about, and as the Russian military losses become widespread knowledge.  The days of a completely isolated population fed only state approved news is over.  The internet, mobile phones, international news broadcasts, and just person to person communication in a far more “open” world is going to have a growing effect.  At least I hope so, which I trust the West’s intelligence services will play on in many ways. ;)
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #94 on: 26 February 2022, 19:52:44 »

Abramovich has just given the Chelsea FC charitable trust "stewardship and care", of the club.
Not sure what that is supposed to achieve. It sounds like he still legally owns it, so it could still potentially be seized as an asset.  :-\
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #95 on: 26 February 2022, 20:24:53 »

Biden is a W@n£er
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #96 on: 26 February 2022, 20:35:27 »

Apparently the Russian authorities have blocked Twitter and Facebook, obviously in an attempt to suppress the news about Putin's war on Ukraine in Russia.

I'd have thought that this will make the Russian people wonder even more what their government is up to.  ???  :-\

Anyway blocks on internet services are easily* circumvented with VPN's, so I'm sure that the savvy will quickly cotton on.

* Well it was easy in Vietnam 12 years ago where Facebook was banned, maybe Ivan has more sophisticated blocking tools.  :-\
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #97 on: 26 February 2022, 20:54:05 »

Apparently the Russian authorities have blocked Twitter and Facebook, obviously in an attempt to suppress the news about Putin's war on Ukraine in Russia.

I'd have thought that this will make the Russian people wonder even more what their government is up to.  ???  :-\

Anyway blocks on internet services are easily* circumvented with VPN's, so I'm sure that the savvy will quickly cotton on.

* Well it was easy in Vietnam 12 years ago where Facebook was banned, maybe Ivan has more sophisticated blocking tools.  :-\
Turning the lectric and interwebs off would be pretty efficient. And effective.
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #98 on: 26 February 2022, 20:59:08 »

Apparently the Russian authorities have blocked Twitter and Facebook, obviously in an attempt to suppress the news about Putin's war on Ukraine in Russia.

I'd have thought that this will make the Russian people wonder even more what their government is up to.  ???  :-\

Anyway blocks on internet services are easily* circumvented with VPN's, so I'm sure that the savvy will quickly cotton on.

* Well it was easy in Vietnam 12 years ago where Facebook was banned, maybe Ivan has more sophisticated blocking tools.  :-\
Turning the lectric and interwebs off would be pretty efficient. And effective.

I am sure that in a country the size of Russia that would be very difficult to achieve in practical terms, plus the hidden Opposition have ways that circumvent such measures. ;)

No, Putin’s internal, as well as external, political headache is just starting. His invasion may well result in many Ukrainian deaths, but for his army it will also cost much as they try to take cities against very spirited opposition.  History has proved that is a very costly exercise. So at home he will have a lot of trouble to come when he is faced with the losses and isolation Russia is going to experience.  We hope that anyway!
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #99 on: 26 February 2022, 21:07:31 »

I see Germany has finally come on board

Germany to send weapons to Ukraine in policy reversal
Germany on Saturday dramatically ramped up its backing for Ukraine's battle against Russia, approving weapons deliveries for Kyiv in a policy U-turn and agreeing to limit Moscow's access to the SWIFT interbank system.
"The Russian invasion of Ukraine marks a turning point in history. It threatens our entire post-war order," said Chancellor Olaf Scholz as his government approved the delivery of a huge batch of lethal weapons to Kyiv.
"In this situation, it is our duty to support Ukraine to the best of our ability in its defence against (Russian President) Vladimir Putin's invading army," said Scholz, stressing that Germany "stands closely by Ukraine's side".
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #100 on: 26 February 2022, 21:44:53 »

I see Germany has finally come on board

Germany to send weapons to Ukraine in policy reversal
Germany on Saturday dramatically ramped up its backing for Ukraine's battle against Russia, approving weapons deliveries for Kyiv in a policy U-turn and agreeing to limit Moscow's access to the SWIFT interbank system.
"The Russian invasion of Ukraine marks a turning point in history. It threatens our entire post-war order," said Chancellor Olaf Scholz as his government approved the delivery of a huge batch of lethal weapons to Kyiv.
"In this situation, it is our duty to support Ukraine to the best of our ability in its defence against (Russian President) Vladimir Putin's invading army," said Scholz, stressing that Germany "stands closely by Ukraine's side".

Better late than never....  ::)
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #101 on: 26 February 2022, 21:57:56 »

Indeed 5000 helmuts 👀 were never going to cut it😉
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #102 on: 26 February 2022, 22:24:25 »

Be interesting to see if Sippy Cup follows their example, but agree that's it's good that they have committed to the cause.
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #103 on: 26 February 2022, 23:08:00 »

The French have surrendered.




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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #104 on: 26 February 2022, 23:24:03 »

The Ities did it first.  ;)
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