Whats Your Current Fuel Price?

[Doctor Gollum]

Do ferries still run from Folkestone and Ramsgate?

If not why not?

The port of Dover has always been a bottleneck. The current problems can largely be solved by adding more ships from more places. Or the long required development of a superport of a scale appropriate to the traffic passing through it. And whilst the P&O debacle is being resolved, I don't see any trucks being diverted to Tilbury or Newhaven?

I note that there's no similar disruption along the A12.

Obviously it's all down to Brexit. And TCV. And Trump. But mostly Brexit.

[Raeturbo]

Until it gets a very big problem no tinker gives a toss about ergonomics,  we need people who have had experience in real life to help govern us.

[Doctor Gollum]

Until it gets a very big problem no tinker gives a toss about ergonomics,  we need people who have had experience in real life to help govern us.

Good luck with that.

[Varche]

Do ferries still run from Folkestone and Ramsgate?

If not why not?

The port of Dover has always been a bottleneck. The current problems can largely be solved by adding more ships from more places. Or the long required development of a superport of a scale appropriate to the traffic passing through it. And whilst the P&O debacle is being resolved, I don't see any trucks being diverted to Tilbury or Newhaven?

I note that there's no similar disruption along the A12.

Obviously it's all down to Brexit. And TCV. And Trump. But mostly Brexit.

More ships from more places? Are these ships just waiting somewhere? 

[Doctor Gollum]

No, they were all scrapped in 2020 when people were banned from breathing outside and the companies decided to use passenger ferries to run freight, choosing to cash in on scrap prices rather than laying them up. Because obviously the world was going to end.

Take half the Dover fleet out of service and suddenly you have a backlog. Hardly a surprise.

Stena have shuffled their fleet in response on certain routes by postponing annual maintenance. But that doesn't help Dover any because they haven't operated a service from there for years, Dover Calais effectively being a P&O monopoly.

That said, Folkestone and Ramsgate haven't had a meaningful ferry service between them since I left school.

There is always someone else to blame first it was LeShuttle, then the end of duty free, then Easyjet, then Batflu and Brexit, but there's as much freight going through Dover now as there was before the referendum, but at no point did anyone stop and say 'hang on a minute, we need to ramp up capacity' the same short-sightedness that built two single track tunnels under the sea to run constantly conflicting services. Best thing to do with it would be to stop the passenger services and turn it into a continuous loop, like a baggage conveyer. It might take longer to do the crossing, but being a continuous loop, there would be no delays and no wasted space. You simply join the queue at one end, and literally non stop, drive off the other end.

Operation stack has been a 'thing' for decades, so that's not a new problem either.

Basically the system has zero contingency capability built into it. And effectively shutting down P&O with red tape BS because they changed employment agencies is a self fulfilling prophecy.

Just enough capacity is never enough. And it's about time that those responsible accept that they either need to invest in more infrastructure or stop importing everything*.

*Obviously that's no longer an option which leaves more infrastructure.

[Doctor Gollum]

Do ferries still run from Folkestone and Ramsgate?

If not why not?

The port of Dover has always been a bottleneck. The current problems can largely be solved by adding more ships from more places. Or the long required development of a superport of a scale appropriate to the traffic passing through it. And whilst the P&O debacle is being resolved, I don't see any trucks being diverted to Tilbury or Newhaven?

I note that there's no similar disruption along the A12.

Obviously it's all down to Brexit. And TCV. And Trump. But mostly Brexit.

More ships from more places? Are these ships just waiting somewhere?

To directly answer your question...

https://commercial.apolloduck.com/boats-for-sale/commercial/ferry/roro-ferries?view=1&layout=1&cid=10&sti=176&fx=GBP&minv=&maxv=&ymin=&ymax=&iso=aa&minl=0&maxl=0&type=1&sort=0&limit=10

€25,000,000 on the first page would pay for itself in a week.

[TheBoy]

As said earlier, any P&O problems are compounded by the fact that GVMS (the system used to allow exports of commercial goods from the UK following Brexit) shat its pants over a week ago, and the barely existent manual systems are not coping. So lorries of commercial goods cannot leave the UK currently.


Its easy to blame P&O, but that in reality has minimal impact as the other companies can mostly take up the slack on non holiday periods.

Its also easy to claim it can't possibly be Brexit, even though clearly that's a major part of it.  We were warned of all these sorts of issues, but Uncle Nige and bumchums declared it was Project Fear.  Therefore this can't possibly be reality for any of the brainwashed


Virtually all of the people I now speak to who voted to leave the EU wished they had voted the other way, as this was not the promised utopia. They say they were promised that we could control our borders and stop the flow of illegal immigrants (not sure how Brexit was ever going to do that), and promised the NHS were going to get an extra £300m a week (that one is hard to defend, no matter how people deny it was written on the bus). And that if we didn't leave, we'd be ruled by Nazis.

Oh, and how I laughed when that silly tart in the papers last year was making a song and dance about a massive mobile bill she'd run up in Spain, and how that wasn't an expected side effect of leaving

[TheBoy]

Back on track, £1.799 at a fuel station nearly 20 miles away, following a week of there being no diesel around these parts.

[LC0112G]

156.7p for E10 proper car fuel at my local this morning. 175.7p for lorry juice. No queues and no shortages as far as I could see.

I filled up ready for a dash to Folkestone/Calais next Friday. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I filled up with the dirty juice at Costco Bristol yesterday afternoon at £1.697 per litre. No queues and no supply issues. 

[ronnyd]

Local Sainsbury totally out of all fuel at the moment. Luckily not going far this weekend, hopefully. 

[STEMO]

Missus is in Bognor, hope she can get some or she'll be staying in Bognor.

[Doctor Gollum]

That slack non holiday period aka Easter? 

I wouldn't have voted any differently. 

[Doctor Gollum]

https://www.niferry.co.uk/irish-ferries-isle-of-inisheer-channel-bound-as-dover-faces-capacity-pressures/

http://travelweekly.co.uk/news/tour-operators/po-ferries-cancels-plans-to-resume-services

[TheBoy]

I think the issues round here with fuel might be the tree huggers at one of the local distribution points (Hemel), by piecing 2+2 together (and probably making 5 )