P and O

[Lizzie Zoom]

It isn't registered in Lundun.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00237626

And according to their last tax filing, employed around 800 staff. On shore.

No mention of their crews. Ergo, P&O Ferries Ltd was not the employer of the previous crews.

Also worth noting that the claimed hourly rate will include food and accommodation and travel home on leave, and presuming that they are paid for the full day, by virtue of being onboard 24/7, they actually pull in a pretty decent income compared to what they might earn back home.

Condor Ferries crews average £11.5k, and apparently P&O were paying £4.50 an hour only two years ago... https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/po-crew-earn-450-hour-3923380

I would wager that the 32 jobs McDonald's currently has in Hull pay thrice that. (The wage examples given are actually in $).

Not that facts should dare to get in the way of a decent outrage.

Yes it is.  Like all UK companies, P&O is registered at Companies House, London. But their registered Head Office is in Dover.

Of course it is registered at Companies House, in Lundun, as that is the government office to whom companies must formally declare themselves.

Their registered office, however, is in Dover.

Feel free to split hairs if you must, but to say they are registered in Lundun is akin to suggesting that your car is registered in Swansea. The DVLA is in Swansea and they administer the registration of your car to the address of the registered keeper. Companies House is the business version of the DVLA.

What on earth are you going on about, yet again?!

I stated clearly that P&O are registered in London - that is at companies house, and their HQ is in Dover.

Like all companies they have a registered head office, which In P&O's case is in Dover.

So nothing complicated in that is there, but for you who obviously has something to prove for some reason, perhaps because of your young age at 43, and status in life, you have to make something out of nothing;  then you bring in some absurd parallel with cars being registered at the DVLA or whatever!

For goodness sake get a life and stop always trying to enter every thread as though you know everything and no one else, especially me, does, with you challenging every word or phrase used. It is getting tedious as I have said in the past.  This is not a university, highly academic web site, but a car forum!

STEMO certainly has you sussed

[Sir Tigger KC]

Here we go! 

[Doctor Gollum]

LZ: The bulk of my post that you originally picked at had nothing to do with where the company is registered at.

Presumably that was the easiest thread to pull. Not debating any further as I, (and everyone else for that matter), will always be wrong, inexperienced and therefore utterly incomparable to the vast all encompassing "when I" approach to every subject.

[Doctor Gollum]

At the end of the day what anyone thinks is largely irrelevant, as, according to their own tax filings, P&O Ferries does not directly employ anyone who isn't shorebased. So, by definition, everyone who was let go, was employed by someone other than P&O.

Said employees presumably were aware of this, yet suddenly it is the fault of P&O. That's what I meant when I said they should have been aware of something coming. Especially in light of the events in 2019.

It wouldn't surprise me if the agency/agencies they were employed by did inform the government that they were letting their staff go (assuming, of course, that they were letting over 100 people go... the legal threshold), or that they are even UK or EU based to begin with and therefore obliged to do so.

Still a shitty thing to do, but by no means unprecedented in a developed country in the 21st century.

[VXL V6]

I dont agree. Its illegal to make someone redundant and immediately replace them. If someone loses their job for reason of redundancy, its because the job will no longer exist.

I agree
sadly a quick change of job title/name and slight change to job description/working hours etc , circumvents such measures . 

Yep, happened at every company i've worked for at least once.

[Doctor Gollum]

I dont agree. Its illegal to make someone redundant and immediately replace them. If someone loses their job for reason of redundancy, its because the job will no longer exist.

I agree
sadly a quick change of job title/name and slight change to job description/working hours etc , circumvents such measures . 

Yep, happened at every company i've worked for at least once.

Sometimes for the better but often not, and often done to skirt around TUPE regulations. Widespread use of agency staff now doesn't help the employee any either, especially when long established companies change hands four or five times in quick succession. Usually given away by rebranding.

For example, as a baggage handler at Don't Handle Luggage, we worked exclusively on Easyjet aircraft, (DHLs only contract) yet half the staff were employed by DHL, the rest by two agencies (on different terms), and staff at my agency were paid by a different company that the agency had subcontracted to.

Legally I was employed by the payroll company, when in reality Easyjet was the employer. By comparison, most of the DHL staff were on Menzies contracts having been TUPEd over whey they lost the contract, so in one operation there were potentially four different contracts for any given role.

[Rangie]

Part of life losing employment, if none of you have never been there you're lucky as one door closes etc.

[Doctor Gollum]

Part of life losing employment, if none of you have never been there you're lucky as one door closes etc.

Absolutely.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

And yet again, another catastrophe which can be traced back to Gordon McRuin,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/alex-brummer-starmer-may-be-steaming-about-p-o-ferries-and-its-lamentable-behaviour-but-it-was-labour-who-sold-the-firm-down-the-river/ar-AAVlgWg?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[Doctor Gollum]

https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferries-sackings-change-in-law-signed-of-by-chris-grayling-meant-p-o-didnt-need-to-tell-govt-maritime-lawyer-says-12572920

Well that's that then...

Presumably the office in Nassau forgot to mention it.

[Nick W]

And yet again, another catastrophe which can be traced back to Gordon McRuin,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/alex-brummer-starmer-may-be-steaming-about-p-o-ferries-and-its-lamentable-behaviour-but-it-was-labour-who-sold-the-firm-down-the-river/ar-AAVlgWg?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

No, it's Russian oligarch yacht owners using their maritime influence to ensure that Putin doesn't win the Biggest oppsup of 2022 Award.