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[Sir Tigger KC]

.......and his vertically challenged chancellor will have to resign? Bad timing with Ukraine, but the hounds are baying.

Nope.  He might be a fat oaf, but the last thing we need right now is the country more or less run by civil servants while the Tories slug it out for two or three months choosing a new leader/PM. 

Rishi Sunak can go, but more for the sin of putting taxes up than enjoying a glass of wine at the end of the day with the staff. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Besides, if they have been found guilty, fined and paid said fine, then surely they have served their penance. Or is that not how it works anymore 

[STEMO]

.......and his vertically challenged chancellor will have to resign? Bad timing with Ukraine, but the hounds are baying.

Nope.  He might be a fat oaf, but the last thing we need right now is the country more or less run by civil servants while the Tories slug it out for two or three months choosing a new leader/PM. 

Rishi Sunak can go, but more for the sin of putting taxes up than enjoying a glass of wine at the end of the day with the staff. 

You say no...but the question wasn't whether you think he should resign, but whether he will have to. The opposition and, to some extent, his own back benchers may decide he has no option. Or the standards committee may dig up some ancient rule, who knows?

[STEMO]

Besides, if they have been found guilty, fined and paid said fine, then surely they have served their penance. Or is that not how it works anymore 

A criminal for a prime minister? Is that how it works nowadays? I wouldn't be surprised 

[LC0112G]

Besides, if they have been found guilty, fined and paid said fine, then surely they have served their penance. Or is that not how it works anymore 

They haven't been found guilty - no court has been involved. They have been offered the opportunity by the police to plead guilty and accept a fixed penalty to avoid a court appearance. Any normal person would tell the police to do one, and prove their case in court. That court would decline to do so because the case is time expired (6 months). So they would get away Scott free. Trouble is, as politicians they are prepared to take the slap on the wrist over being seen to be exploiting a 'loophole' to avoid prosecution.

The offence is basically akin to being done for speeding - 35 in a 30. If that got you banned from being an MP then we'd have no MP's. The bigger problem is misleading (lying to) parliament. That's what the opposition need to concentrate on if they aim to 'win' this.

[Nick W]

Besides, if they have been found guilty, fined and paid said fine, then surely they have served their penance. Or is that not how it works anymore 

That depends on your position.
Any of us would pay up and grumble about it.


But we aren't the person who put the rules in place, only to be seen flouting them. This is a leadership thing, or it's supposed to be.


The same applies to the Chancellor's wife: who wouldn't use a legal loophole to save £20million? She's exactly the sort of person the  loophole was created for, if only she wasn't married to the man telling everyone else to tighten their belts so he can get his hand further into their pockets.

[Doctor Gollum]

None of which is exactly news... Currently, historically or otherwise.

[STEMO]

None of which is exactly news... Currently, historically or otherwise.

Sigh......

[Sir Tigger KC]

.......and his vertically challenged chancellor will have to resign? Bad timing with Ukraine, but the hounds are baying.

Nope.  He might be a fat oaf, but the last thing we need right now is the country more or less run by civil servants while the Tories slug it out for two or three months choosing a new leader/PM. 

Rishi Sunak can go, but more for the sin of putting taxes up than enjoying a glass of wine at the end of the day with the staff. 

You say no...but the question wasn't whether you think he should resign, but whether he will have to. The opposition and, to some extent, his own back benchers may decide he has no option. Or the standards committee may dig up some ancient rule, who knows?

Fair point Uncle STEMO. 

Talking of news, you didn't mention the political activist media who have already reactivated their campaign to oust him.

I've had BBC R2 on in the background all evening and they've dug out all their outraged talking heads again for every hourly news bulletin. 

[STEMO]

Sorry for the oversight 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Sorry for the oversight 

Forgiven. 

[Viral_Jim]

Besides, if they have been found guilty, fined and paid said fine, then surely they have served their penance. Or is that not how it works anymore 

There's also the matter of misleading parliament and breaching the ministerial code that he signed up to when he took office.

[Doctor Gollum]

Besides, if they have been found guilty, fined and paid said fine, then surely they have served their penance. Or is that not how it works anymore 

There's also the matter of misleading parliament and breaching the ministerial code that he signed up to when he took office.

Because no other politician has ever done that before... It's practically a job requirement.

[Nick W]

Besides, if they have been found guilty, fined and paid said fine, then surely they have served their penance. Or is that not how it works anymore 

There's also the matter of misleading parliament and breaching the ministerial code that he signed up to when he took office.

Because no other politician has ever done that before... It's practically a job requirement.

Getting caught lying about a party does reveal a number of fairly major flaws though. And having to use a large chunk of your diminishing political capital as a result is extremely inept.

[Doctor Gollum]

The party description is pretty ambiguous.