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[Doctor Gollum]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-ukraine-joint-statement-enhanced-security-and-defence-industrial-collaboration-declaration

I mean, WTAF

[Doctor Gollum]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2181232/russia-threatens-wipe-britain-off

[LC0112G]

Have you actually read the declaration?

[Doctor Gollum]

Whilst not an actual declaration of war per se, it's a commitment to share information weapons and personnel. It's one thing to send them supplies, but this goes above that. Ostensibly it's a two way agreement so if we can call on Ukraine for military support, they can also call on us for the same.

There's also the usual government nonsensical waffle that makes the whole thing so vague that you could drive a tank through it.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Seems quite sensible to me. 

After all we need all the allies we can get after 'Kier Starmer is a whanker' has trashed our relationship with the Yanks, and lets face it we could never depend on our continental cousins Brexit or no Brexit. 

The Ukrainians currently have around a million experienced battle hardened men under arms. I'm sure they'd spare a few to help us out. 

[Doctor Gollum]

I guess the ultimate question is what happens when he gets outed and Angie takes over...

On the one hand we could be a communist outpost and on the other we could become the next Islamic state... Those two things are mutually exclusive in the same space. That's never going to end well.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I guess the ultimate question is what happens when he gets outed and Angie takes over...

On the one hand we could be a communist outpost and on the other we could become the next Islamic state... Those two things are mutually exclusive in the same space. That's never going to end well.

Well the inevitable sit down by the fireside in the Oval Office with Trumpy Trump and Our Angie would be a compelling watch! 

They could become the next Reagan and Thatcher! 

[Doctor Gollum]

I guess the ultimate question is what happens when he gets outed and Angie takes over...

On the one hand we could be a communist outpost and on the other we could become the next Islamic state... Those two things are mutually exclusive in the same space. That's never going to end well.

Well the inevitable sit down by the fireside in the Oval Office with Trumpy Trump and Our Angie would be a compelling watch! 

They could become the next Reagan and Thatcher! 

One subtle difference...

One was not for turning, tother will turn more times than a Carousel. Not much of a lady either.

[LC0112G]

I don't see anything in there that says UK forces will be used to defend Ukraine, or Ukranian forces to defend the UK. "Effective military assistance" does not mean boots on the ground.

Training and sharing of intel - yes. Developing new weapons systems - yes (afterall Ukraine has become a world leader in drone and anti drone tech). Supplying Ukraine with the latest UK tech (and vice verca) yes.

If that upsets Russia, tough. The best way to stop their war is to withdraw to the pre 2022 internationaly accepted boundaries.

And some russian mouthpiece (often Lavrov) spouts off about wiping Britain off the face of the map every few months. We should be happy that we're getting under their skins, not scared of them carrying out their threats.

[STEMO]

I don't see anything in there that says UK forces will be used to defend Ukraine, or Ukranian forces to defend the UK. "Effective military assistance" does not mean boots on the ground.

Training and sharing of intel - yes. Developing new weapons systems - yes (afterall Ukraine has become a world leader in drone and anti drone tech). Supplying Ukraine with the latest UK tech (and vice verca) yes.

If that upsets Russia, tough. The best way to stop their war is to withdraw to the pre 2022 internationaly accepted boundaries.

And some russian mouthpiece (often Lavrov) spouts off about wiping Britain off the face of the map every few months. We should be happy that we're getting under their skins, not scared of them carrying out their threats.

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

[LC0112G]

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

[Sir Tigger KC]

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

Are we? 

As I understand it, we have very little in the way of air defences. No Patriot or THAAD batteries and five of our six T45 Destroyers with air defence capabilities are alongside in Portsmouth undergoing various maintenance/refit programmes so are sitting ducks.

So if Putin or Macron decides to send a few missiles or drones our way, there's probably not much we can do to stop them, and that's if we even see them coming!    I read the other day that all the windfarms in the North Sea cause interference or 'chatter' on ground based radar systems and it might be easy to miss a low flying 'Shahed' type drone for example coming our way.    Although I believe the RAF have recently taken delivery of three planes from Boeing with airborne radar systems? 

Maybe we could spring a couple of WW2 'Ack Ack' guns out of the Imperial War Museum? 

[Doctor Gollum]

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

The US being unreliable is largely a Western Europe point of view. The broader consensus outside the Eurobubble is somewhat more open minded.

[STEMO]

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

Are we? 

As I understand it, we have very little in the way of air defences. No Patriot or THAAD batteries and five of our six T45 Destroyers with air defence capabilities are alongside in Portsmouth undergoing various maintenance/refit programmes so are sitting ducks.

So if Putin or Macron decides to send a few missiles or drones our way, there's probably not much we can do to stop them, and that's if we even see them coming!    I read the other day that all the windfarms in the North Sea cause interference or 'chatter' on ground based radar systems and it might be easy to miss a low flying 'Shahed' type drone for example coming our way.    Although I believe the RAF have recently taken delivery of three planes from Boeing with airborne radar systems? 

Maybe we could spring a couple of WW2 'Ack Ack' guns out of the Imperial War Museum? 

And have wokeist snowflakes manning them?

[Sir Tigger KC]

All very well, Malcolm, but we are of an age where a bit of sabre rattling used to be nothing unusual. Unfortunately, the UK is now populated by wokeist snowflakes, who would rather learn to speak Russian than pick up a weapon.

Whilst what you say is true, the likelyhood of the UK actually being invaded (thus requiring a snowflake to pick up a weapon) by anyone is as close to zero as possible. Frankly, we're more likely to be invaded by little green men from outer space. Or the French . If Russia can't sucessfully invade it's (third world military) neighbour (with which it shares a land border), then it stands no chance invading an island thousands of miles from the motherland.

Our military is not what I'd like it to be, but we are still mid table in the premiership, and able to defend ourselves, even if we would (and do) struggle to defend our friends and neighbours. With the US now seen as unreliable, many European countries are re-assessing their own defensive capabilities, and learning off those with the best and most recent (and ongoing) experiance is vital.

Are we? 

As I understand it, we have very little in the way of air defences. No Patriot or THAAD batteries and five of our six T45 Destroyers with air defence capabilities are alongside in Portsmouth undergoing various maintenance/refit programmes so are sitting ducks.

So if Putin or Macron decides to send a few missiles or drones our way, there's probably not much we can do to stop them, and that's if we even see them coming!    I read the other day that all the windfarms in the North Sea cause interference or 'chatter' on ground based radar systems and it might be easy to miss a low flying 'Shahed' type drone for example coming our way.    Although I believe the RAF have recently taken delivery of three planes from Boeing with airborne radar systems? 

Maybe we could spring a couple of WW2 'Ack Ack' guns out of the Imperial War Museum? 

And have wokeist snowflakes manning them?

Maybe we could spring some pensioners out of retirement as well?          At least they wouldn't be fazed at the lack of a touchscreen!