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[tunnie]

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But for 99% of my journeys I use ~40% of its charge per day.

I’ll admit that for most of my journeys, an EV would be sufficient for daily use, and would certainly be cheaper to run, brushing aside the purchase price of course.    I just know that on the longer runs it would piss me off.   Horses for courses I guess. 

The unexpected part of EV ownership, that I did not expect, is doing drives I would not have done before. I've been building out my suspended oo gauge railway in the shed, I've see say a locomotive for £20 but it's say 40 miles away and they won't post it. (most people don't appear to want to post OO stuff)

I can do the drive there and back (80 miles) and I'm happy to do it, have an audio book going in the car and the cost to me would cost me 60 pence. 

Similar with cycling with the kids, we drove to a old railway which was a perfect cycle route for them. Probably 150 mile return trip on the day on a recent one we did, again the cost, because I can charge at home was around £1.20-£1.50.

London was another one, instead of paying £150+ on train tickets for the family to go in, I drove in and it cost about £1. 

For me this offsets any very rare (for me) long 300+ mile journey.

[tunnie]

At nearly £2 a litre, souls are expensive. 

Easy for you to say from where you're sat.

Factor in the purchase price, and depreciation and time spent charging Vs refuelling I have no qualms about paying £1.65 a litre for petrol in either of my cars that combined including tax and insurance cost less than a deposit on your golf cart regardless of how quick or shiny it is.

I hope you don't get made redundant just before Christmas, but if it happens, you'll be back to a 15/20 year old car before the Turkey is finished because the BMW will be the first thing they will take off you.

Obviously raw nerve touched 

I'd happily take an old Nissan Leaf if the worse came to it. Or the older generation BMW i3.

Pick them up for pennies, cost pennies to run.

[Viral_Jim]

At nearly £2 a litre, souls are expensive. 

Easy for you to say from where you're sat.

Factor in the purchase price, and depreciation and time spent charging Vs refuelling I have no qualms about paying £1.65 a litre for petrol in either of my cars that combined including tax and insurance cost less than a deposit on your golf cart regardless of how quick or shiny it is.

I hope you don't get made redundant just before Christmas, but if it happens, you'll be back to a 15/20 year old car before the Turkey is finished because the BMW will be the first thing they will take off you.

There are enough second hand EVs in the market now where over a 2-4yr time horizon (depending on what car you're comparing against) the EV will come out significantly ahead, assuming you could charge at home (which is the majority of the population other than in London).

At nearly £2 a litre, souls are expensive. 

I appreciate that fuel has gone through the roof lately so EV’s charged at home have the upper hand financially for local’ish runs. They also have the upper hand on a longer run if you are prepared to plan in charging breaks. I’d imagine that it’s not quite so easy for families with toddlers if you’ve got to entertain them for the random 30-60 minutes charging breaks. 

Speaking as someone who does this every few months, the ev really isn't the issue in this scenario. Our iX will do c200 miles on the motorway in the cold (more in nice weather) and adds another c100miles in 20 mins. That's easily 5hrs of UK driving with one 20min stop. By the time that happens, my toddler is done with being in the car and it doesn't matter what's powering it.

We did Telford to Disneyland Paris over the summer which is 4.5hrs driving in the UK, 3hrs in France plus the train, plus any rest stops, arguably about as long as any one-day family road trip in the UK. We had one longer stop on the UK side and one short stop on the French side. We did fuel up in the Eurotunnel car park but could easily have carried on without. Then on the way back one stop in France, 2 in the UK - this is exactly how we did it in the Galaxy diesel (toddler more tired and more grumpy -> more stops).

Did the car make any difference? No, she was still grumpy AF after 4hrs in her car seat!

If you're one of these people that likes to do 4-500miles at a stretch, then an EV wouldn't suit, but for more typical driving patterns I can't see them being an issue, especially for families who are stopping anyway.

[STEMO]

OOPS

[Viral_Jim]

I'd happily take an old Nissan Leaf if the worse came to it. Or the older generation BMW i3.

Pick them up for pennies, cost pennies to run.

We recently picked this up to compliment the iX and it's an absolute hoot! Run out model, so not the bargain runaround you describe, but their underpinnings are all the same and they're such good fun. Basically the same power, torque and weight as a fiesta st, and their rwd.

[tunnie]

I'd happily take an old Nissan Leaf if the worse came to it. Or the older generation BMW i3.

Pick them up for pennies, cost pennies to run.

We recently picked this up to compliment the iX and it's an absolute hoot! Run out model, so not the bargain runaround you describe, but their underpinnings are all the same and they're such good fun. Basically the same power, torque and weight as a fiesta st, and their rwd.

Yes I quite like these 

Only down side for us it's really a 4 seater, a Leaf I could squeeze all 3 kids in the back if I had to.

[TheBoy]

Although it obviously cost me more than it would have cost you, but I drove to Gretna in one hit, drove about for a couple of days and then drove back home again in one hit on the same tank of fuel. This is what I like about ICE cars, I didn’t have to plan in any charging breaks, and I didn’t have to ask anyone how long they’d be charging their car for in the limited amount of hotel charging bays. I also appreciate that some will argue that you can pop in for a coffee and a wee whilst it’s charging at the services/supermarket etc., and it’s charged by the time you leave, but I don’t drink coffee and any stops are flying visits just for a piss. I’m not ready yet to accept searching for working chargers to become part of my holiday. 

This is why I have zero interest in current EVs. Not a single one of them.  And remember at motorway speeds, you are likely to get only around 75% of the WLTP figures, from 100% to 0%.

That simply isn't good enough to get around the country.  And I don't want to stop for more electricity. And in more rural areas, you can currently find fuel stations without worrying, but charging points need plannig.

[TheBoy]

The unexpected part of EV ownership, that I did not expect, is doing drives I would not have done before. I've been building out my suspended oo gauge railway in the shed, I've see say a locomotive for £20 but it's say 40 miles away and they won't post it. (most people don't appear to want to post OO stuff)

I can do the drive there and back (80 miles) and I'm happy to do it, have an audio book going in the car and the cost to me would cost me 60 pence. 

Similar with cycling with the kids, we drove to a old railway which was a perfect cycle route for them. Probably 150 mile return trip on the day on a recent one we did, again the cost, because I can charge at home was around £1.20-£1.50.

London was another one, instead of paying £150+ on train tickets for the family to go in, I drove in and it cost about £1. 

For me this offsets any very rare (for me) long 300+ mile journey.

I fail to see how this is different from a traditional ICE car.  Mine has a wireless if I want to listen to podcasts, music, whatever. Granted, I'm not going to pile a load of bikes on the back of mine, but I could do if I wanted to.

Mine will cost more on the journey, but the reality on TCO isn't so outstanding.

[TheBoy]

Dont get me wrong, as I've said a million times before, I'm not against EVs.  Just nothing yet suits my needs.  And they are all bland, shite appliances, and I'm not old enough yet.

[STEMO]

I'm not against EV's, you understand. It's just that they're bland, shite appliances. Apart from that......

 

[tunnie]

The unexpected part of EV ownership, that I did not expect, is doing drives I would not have done before. I've been building out my suspended oo gauge railway in the shed, I've see say a locomotive for £20 but it's say 40 miles away and they won't post it. (most people don't appear to want to post OO stuff)

I can do the drive there and back (80 miles) and I'm happy to do it, have an audio book going in the car and the cost to me would cost me 60 pence. 

Similar with cycling with the kids, we drove to a old railway which was a perfect cycle route for them. Probably 150 mile return trip on the day on a recent one we did, again the cost, because I can charge at home was around £1.20-£1.50.

London was another one, instead of paying £150+ on train tickets for the family to go in, I drove in and it cost about £1. 

For me this offsets any very rare (for me) long 300+ mile journey.

I fail to see how this is different from a traditional ICE car.  Mine has a wireless if I want to listen to podcasts, music, whatever. Granted, I'm not going to pile a load of bikes on the back of mine, but I could do if I wanted to.

Mine will cost more on the journey, but the reality on TCO isn't so outstanding.

Because in an ICE powered car, the same run would have cost more than the loco I was buying in fuel. Because it's so cheap to run, you end up doing drives I would not have done because of cost.

[tunnie]

Dont get me wrong, as I've said a million times before, I'm not against EVs.  Just nothing yet suits my needs.  And they are all bland, shite appliances, and I'm not old enough yet.

But you drive a diesel Jag? Not sure I'm old enough for Jag yet. 

[Viral_Jim]

Yes,

Only down side for us it's really a 4 seater, a Leaf I could squeeze all 3 kids in the back if I had to.

Yes, and for someone of your stature I think it would probably drop down to 3. I'm just 6'0" and my son (11yrs old) has just enough space to get his feet in the footwell behind me. We also looked at a new shape leaf and a vw iD3, both were much more practical inside, but nowhere near as much fun to drive 

[Doctor Gollum]

The unexpected part of EV ownership, that I did not expect, is doing drives I would not have done before. I've been building out my suspended oo gauge railway in the shed, I've see say a locomotive for £20 but it's say 40 miles away and they won't post it. (most people don't appear to want to post OO stuff)

I can do the drive there and back (80 miles) and I'm happy to do it, have an audio book going in the car and the cost to me would cost me 60 pence. 

Similar with cycling with the kids, we drove to a old railway which was a perfect cycle route for them. Probably 150 mile return trip on the day on a recent one we did, again the cost, because I can charge at home was around £1.20-£1.50.

London was another one, instead of paying £150+ on train tickets for the family to go in, I drove in and it cost about £1. 

For me this offsets any very rare (for me) long 300+ mile journey.

I fail to see how this is different from a traditional ICE car.  Mine has a wireless if I want to listen to podcasts, music, whatever. Granted, I'm not going to pile a load of bikes on the back of mine, but I could do if I wanted to.

Mine will cost more on the journey, but the reality on TCO isn't so outstanding.

Because in an ICE powered car, the same run would have cost more than the loco I was buying in fuel. Because it's so cheap to run, you end up doing drives I would not have done because of cost.

That completely ignores the purchase price. Because your EV is effectively free, ie no where near it's retail cost, you can afford to do the longer runs in it. If your lease mileage is capped in any way, then you've that to consider too. And if it comes to it they'll pro rata the mileage allowance against the actual mileage at point of return, so if you're over...

[Doctor Gollum]

At nearly £2 a litre, souls are expensive. 

Easy for you to say from where you're sat.

Factor in the purchase price, and depreciation and time spent charging Vs refuelling I have no qualms about paying £1.65 a litre for petrol in either of my cars that combined including tax and insurance cost less than a deposit on your golf cart regardless of how quick or shiny it is.

I hope you don't get made redundant just before Christmas, but if it happens, you'll be back to a 15/20 year old car before the Turkey is finished because the BMW will be the first thing they will take off you.

Obviously raw nerve touched 

I'd happily take an old Nissan Leaf if the worse came to it. Or the older generation BMW i3.

Pick them up for pennies, cost pennies to run.

Having to charge either on the way to work if your commute changes significantly will wear very thin very quickly. A cheap leaf is ideal for going 5 miles down the road and back, as Albs will attest to.

Just be careful not to presume that your salary and perks will be on the same level. If they are, great, but you could just as easily end up working in Tesco's for a while.