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[JonArgraig]

Alternatively, tell everyone in the office to point and laugh everytime he walks through the door. He'll soon get the message and leave.

HTH  

We do that for fun with the development team already...

[amigov6]

It would appear you've gone the whole 9 yards for this bloke so try not to feel bad about it. Being a truck driver it's not my place to hire & fire, but i worked at a small timberyard in my pre HGV days forklifting, doing the odd delivery in a 7.5 t bedford tk & dealing with some phone calls, answerable to management so i suppose i was a like a foreman. work picked up & i spent more time on the phone in my hut or on the road so they took on an assistant to help me out. He was a good lad, kept the yard clean, learned forklifting quickly (no tickets needed then).
     After 3 or 4 months an area gaffer called in resulting in my gaffer telling me to finish him....cost effective etc.
    I felt awful, he was visibly shaken & his hand was shaking as he handed me his yard keys back.
      First & last time. The management left me to do thier dirty work.

[Bandit127]

Previous post deleted as irrelevant, I seem to be 3 replies behind...

You have made it clear to him Jon and followed the process. That is fair.

Jon - you know he has to go and you need to reconcile that. If it helps, think what the rest of the team feel like with having his incompetence around. If he is that bad then it affects the health of the whole business.

[Chopsdad]

I've "let go" many people over the years - all for either incompetence or apathy.

Only 1 ever bothered me as she had a huge mortgage and I felt responsible for her future.

I had to remind myself, as you do, it's not your fault.

She came back in 6m later to see me to say thankyou, she now has a job she can do, she enjoys and gets paid more.

Don't sympathise, empathise.

He's clearly less bothered than you are so shake his hand and wish him well.

[pete.h]

There's a useful website , emplaw.co.uk , which has a lot of free info.

I used it when I had to sack someone for theft a few years back , which admittedly is esier than your case as long as there is proof.

You've got to watch problems such as "constructive dismissal" , where if an employees life at work is made unbearable , so that he feels he has to leave , it can count as unfair dismissal, where the compensation can get a bit serious.

The guy I sacked got "no win no fee" solicitors involved , even though he was obviously guilty , but it still dragged on for about 6 months , not much fun !!

Good luck

[Danny]

never had to sack anyone but constantly had to tell one girl off for just being careless with her standard of work, she never took it to heart and barely improved, but was always cheerful

...and tasty!! oh if i could turn back time, punishment would have a whole new meaning!

[Entwood]

never had to sack anyone but constantly had to tell one girl off for just being careless with her standard of work, she never took it to heart and barely improved, but was always cheerful

...and tasty!! oh if i could turn back time, punishment would have a whole new meaning!

mmm  is that punishment or sexual harassment !!!!!! (or bloody good fun !! )

PC brigade have muddied the water too far for this old brain  

[omegaman2]

i sacked the windy cleaner for ripping my pir light off the wall with his ladders

[Kevin Wood]

i sacked the windy cleaner for ripping my pir light off the wall with his ladders

You should have kept hold of him. Our cleaner doesn't "DO" ladders any more. He stands on the ground and cleans them with a brush on the end of a ruddy great long pole. Apparently he has some special treated (read: softened) water that doesn't need soap either. Hasn't reduced his prices though, and the whites don't get cleaned at all now.

That reminds me. Meant to paint the window frames this summer. Spent most of it pi$$ing around with the Omega instead.

Kevin

[Danny]

never had to sack anyone but constantly had to tell one girl off for just being careless with her standard of work, she never took it to heart and barely improved, but was always cheerful

...and tasty!! oh if i could turn back time, punishment would have a whole new meaning!

mmm  is that punishment or sexual harassment !!!!!! (or bloody good fun !! )

PC brigade have muddied the water too far for this old brain  

the latter

[chrisdb]

When I was younger I was ruthless and would have sacked someone no problem. Now I'm older I would find it harder to do.

Listen carefully about the advice as few people have given - my sister is a personnel manager and spends a lot of time at tribunals. Sometimes they loose cases where the evidence is so damning it makes you realise the world has gone mad.

Does this guy know that the sack is imminent? A really common thing for someone in that kind of position is to go long term sick with stress. Tread carefully and if you need to, get professional legal advice.

Good luck, hope it works out for all concerned.

[miggy]

I really don't like having to do this, but I'm thinking I'm going to have to let one of my staff go, shame is that I know he's got a few problems in his personal life and he's really a nice guy.

I've sacked plenty of people in the past & its always been easy as they where often arseholes to boot. but this guy is not a bad bloke, just no good at the job.

I've offered him extra training, he turned it down

I made him take extra training, he was better for a week

I found him a place in a diffrent department, granted it was less wage but it would of been a sercure job as it fitted his skills fine. - He declined

Now its got to the point where we are having to carry him, and I can't cover his cock-ups any more, and the other department has filled there vacancy...


So how would you go about this ? I used to be a ruthless bastweard but this kinda getting to me, I know that once he's out of the building I wont have to see him, but still I feel I could of done more for him,

Unfortunatly you cannot help some people, you have bent over backwards for him, looks like you need to let him go and replace with someone who wants to work and learn. I do many appraisals and i have one or two who just dont want to know, unfortunatly you have a job to do also, and it is sometimes unplesant.

[CaptainZok]

i sacked the windy cleaner for ripping my pir light off the wall with his ladders

You should have kept hold of him. Our cleaner doesn't "DO" ladders any more. He stands on the ground and cleans them with a brush on the end of a ruddy great long pole. Apparently he has some special treated (read: softened) water that doesn't need soap either. Hasn't reduced his prices though, and the whites don't get cleaned at all now.

That reminds me. Meant to paint the window frames this summer. Spent most of it pi$$ing around with the Omega instead.

Kevin

When we get a summer you mean.  

[CaptainZok]

Been on the opposite side of the fence many times defending colleagues in disciplinary situations. Some people seem to do their damndest to get into trouble even when the threat of dismissal is written in 10 foot high neon lettering.
It's never an easy situation when someones life is in your hands but it would seem that you've done your best to get this person into a job they are capable of doing all to no avail so make sure you've followed the legal proceedures to the letter and it can't come back to bite you.
If you need to do some more research on employment law let me know and I'll put you on to a site I use.

[jereboam]

Make sure that you're covered for the tribunal, it sounds like he just wants the payoff.  As for the rest of it, don't take it personally.  Not worth it.

Agency staff... No rights with us, it's up to his company to re job him.

Sorry to come in on the end of this discussion, but surely if the guy is Agency staff, you can ask for him to be replaced because he is unsatisfactory.  It would then become the Agency's business to deal with.  

If he is not an employee of your company, I'm not sure that the Employment Tribunal could be involved.  I think that it is also unlikely that your company's Disciplinary procedures would apply to him.  

***Usual disclaimer - I'm not a lawyer - don't take my word for it!***