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[LJay]

My two pence worth.

If you are a single Mum or Dad or a couple on benefit and have a council house you should give something back in return i.e if you are a couple, mum or dad should be made to get a job, if a job can't be found then they should earn their benefit in the community, shopping/gardening for pensioners, cleaning streets ect. Once the child is old enough to go the school then the other partner should also go and work in the community to earn the benefit they receive.

Here Here! Well said!

[Martin_1962]

While unemployed I did a community programme for unemployed people - I worked on a preserved railway

[albitz]

plus the 700,000 extra government jobs which have been created in the last decade.
how will the taxpayers keep supporting them and their index linked pensions,when there will be less taxpayers earning less money.The figures cant possibly add up.
I read a report last week which said that the average private sector employee is now paying more of their earnings into the public sector pension fund than they are paying into their own,if true its rather outrageous.

[zippo]

I feel ( perhaps incorrectly ) that many no-earners reproduce as a means to increase benefits and secure housing. Also declining educational standards leads to the inability to read the instructions on contraceptives !

A family near me have 8 kids and counting and neither parent has worked a day in their life (both under 30) They have the children for the money

[Vamps]

I have read this thread with some interest, and feel that many of the points made are valid, as some are drawn from experience rather than subjective generalisations. I just really wanted to put in an additional point of view, it is too big a subject to cover in any detail on here, and to solve the problem I would have to become partly un PC and bring back some form of National Service, not necessarily Military, for school leaver without work I feel that the government should have schemes where benefits are only paid in exchange for some form of labour, whatever that might be, to individuals, use their strengths or interests.



I tend to think we still have a ‘working Class, but as has been said we seem to have developed a ‘Non Working Class’ that is worryingly 2nd and even 3rd generation.  I, as others, have know young men, 25 years ago who had no intention of ever working, one even saying to me that ‘it was my fault that I chose to work and pay tax to keep him on the dole’ never had much to do with him after that.

Working Class families have traditionally been larger, goes back to survival rates of children and later more money coming into the family as the children went out to work. What we have now is something different, and is increasing in the Non Working Class family and increasingly with young single mothers. Government has spent millions over last few years on teenage pregnancy and yet it remains on the increase.

Whilst some girls may get pregnant for a property, others do it for what a baby and young child can give, ‘Unconditional Love’ perhaps filling a need in the mother that has not previously been met. The child gets to 5 or 6 and starts to make demands, so off to find another lad to have another baby, all that love again.  

Just a couple of my thoughts.

[albitz]

very perceptive Mike.
I agree about the work /national service idea, as long as they werent sent to far flung lands as cannon fodder. I think the idea should be to instil self respect/respect for others and a strong work ethic.
warfare should be for volunteers imo.

[JueV6]

The problem is today people are not rewarded for working -- all the perceived rewards go to those that do not work!  As mentioned in an earlier post, when I was made redundant I would have been far better off, financially, had I signed on the dole. However "pride", I guess, made me find work ..... ANY work and be out of pocket.

There ARE jobs out there -- maybe the funds used to pay benefits to the habitually unemployed would be better directed at topping up low wages to a decent level -- the condition for getting the top ups is that you work!

Just got back to this and I have to aggree with you HC.

In the greater scheme of things yes you are better off BUT in the day to day living expences, food etc, not perscriptions, glasses, rent, council tax, etc, things can be very tight, but it is the mind set of the individual and the self pride that makes all the difference.

My opinion

[SheWhoMustNotBeOUTBID]

OOOOOOH just seen the 'drives the supermiggy' thing u put .., its MY SUPERMIGGY.

boy, u are in   B I G   T R O U B L E

 

[albitz]

government announced changes to incapacity benefit system today
The intended purpose being to put 1 million people back into work.
What planet are these people living on ?

[theowletman]

Stupid or lazy people should not be allowed to procreate.

Too late I've already got 2.

[theowletman]

government announced changes to incapacity benefit system today
The intended purpose being to put 1 million people back into work.
What planet are these people living on ?

A "professional " benefit claimant in our street, 42 years old, who has not worked for 11 years, has recently been taken off incapacity benefit and told to look for work. He is younger, fitter and much more physically able than myself, has the best garden in the street ( he recently re-turfed it, himself, despite the bad back which has prevented him from working ) and is totally gutted that he has to look for work. Now the funny bit, he has suddenly developed a limp,noticed it when he was walking to the shop for lager supplies, we were in fits of laughter yesterday as the limp cures itself when he is in his garden playing with the kids.

[Kevin Wood]

My two pence worth.

If you are a single Mum or Dad or a couple on benefit and have a council house you should give something back in return i.e if you are a couple, mum or dad should be made to get a job, if a job can't be found then they should earn their benefit in the community, shopping/gardening for pensioners, cleaning streets ect. Once the child is old enough to go the school then the other partner should also go and work in the community to earn the benefit they receive.

Here Here! Well said!

This is the krux of the issue. As soon as you give something to someone without expecting anything in return you breed the type of slob that become "career" benefit recipients (and they do exist, and do have kids to increase their benefits).

Everyone has the potential to do something gainful with their lives. Even if its' value is not in proportion to what they recieve they must get out of bed in the morning knowing they have to do something worthwhile to support their family.

In addition, as said, the system currently punishes recipients for the first steps off benefits and into work, and that is madness.

Kids are the innocent parties in this, and I wouldn't like to see them suffer as punishment for adults having kids they can't support. It's therefore a delicate situation in terms of how we fix it but the incentive to have kids to gain benefits must be removed somehow. Maybe the state should plough the money into free childcare while the parents go out to earn their benefits?

Kevin

[Elite Pete]

My two pence worth.

If you are a single Mum or Dad or a couple on benefit and have a council house you should give something back in return i.e if you are a couple, mum or dad should be made to get a job, if a job can't be found then they should earn their benefit in the community, shopping/gardening for pensioners, cleaning streets ect. Once the child is old enough to go the school then the other partner should also go and work in the community to earn the benefit they receive.

Here Here! Well said!

This is the krux of the issue. As soon as you give something to someone without expecting anything in return you breed the type of slob that become "career" benefit recipients (and they do exist, and do have kids to increase their benefits).

Everyone has the potential to do something gainful with their lives. Even if its' value is not in proportion to what they recieve they must get out of bed in the morning knowing they have to do something worthwhile to support their family.

In addition, as said, the system currently punishes recipients for the first steps off benefits and into work, and that is madness.

Kids are the innocent parties in this, and I wouldn't like to see them suffer as punishment for adults having kids they can't support. It's therefore a delicate situation in terms of how we fix it but the incentive to have kids to gain benefits must be removed somehow. Maybe the state should plough the money into free childcare while the parents go out to earn their benefits?

Kevin

They don't really need to, the parents that genuinely can't work should have the relavent checks done and they can look after children freeing up the people who can work, all in return for their benefits

[Martin_1962]

My two pence worth.

If you are a single Mum or Dad or a couple on benefit and have a council house you should give something back in return i.e if you are a couple, mum or dad should be made to get a job, if a job can't be found then they should earn their benefit in the community, shopping/gardening for pensioners, cleaning streets ect. Once the child is old enough to go the school then the other partner should also go and work in the community to earn the benefit they receive.

Here Here! Well said!

This is the krux of the issue. As soon as you give something to someone without expecting anything in return you breed the type of slob that become "career" benefit recipients (and they do exist, and do have kids to increase their benefits).

Everyone has the potential to do something gainful with their lives. Even if its' value is not in proportion to what they recieve they must get out of bed in the morning knowing they have to do something worthwhile to support their family.

In addition, as said, the system currently punishes recipients for the first steps off benefits and into work, and that is madness.

Kids are the innocent parties in this, and I wouldn't like to see them suffer as punishment for adults having kids they can't support. It's therefore a delicate situation in terms of how we fix it but the incentive to have kids to gain benefits must be removed somehow. Maybe the state should plough the money into free childcare while the parents go out to earn their benefits?

Kevin

So what will you do when that time comes, childcare or stay at home mum?

[SheWhoMustNotBeOUTBID]

I agree, I did do many hours of voluntary work until my two year old arrived as my older son was in school.  It was easier (and they were more understanding) if issues with my older son came about and I needed to spend time sorting things out.

Once my younger son arrived, it became impossible to do voluntary work so I had to give it all up, altho I did try to maintain it for a few weeks after he was born.

Having access to some form of childcare would make it far easier to keep up the 'working habit' and help prevent the degrading of confidence that can happen once in the benefit system.  Who know's could actually lead to a job too (does happen occasionally).