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[JamesV6CDX]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

[tunnie]

not really, since its limited to 60mph, you won't attempt an overtake  

[tunnie]

60mph is prob most economical for a transit, so put on to save fuel, reduce accidents

[cem_devecioglu]

better I 'll walk, instead of driving this slow pain..when I was 15 my race bicycle was making 70 mph downhill

[JamesV6CDX]

I think it could cause more accidents than it saves to be honest...

Imagine how annoying it is. Lorry in lane 1 doing 55mph. You start passing at 60mph in lane 2, and lorry speeds up and matches your speed.

The safest thing to do would be to toe it and get past it as quickly and safely as possible.

As it happens, we had to slow down, and pull back in behind it.

Given the above, it means you can only realistically drive at about 50mph on the motorway -

Dangerous if you ask me!

[Martin_1962]

At least it gives you something to sue over WHEN there is an accident

[albitz]

and to think that quite a few "respected"people and groups from the road safety lobby want to introduce this for all vehicles,particularily motorcycles.

[Vamps]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

Is that not overloaded,  ::)even in the ,good old days, the crew bus version, wooden seats down each side, was only 17 seats

[Leomas]

Been shown to be the cause of many an accident in smaller cc bikes. They have enough power to get into trouble but not enough to get clear as in the overtake above. Even worse is when large bikes are power limited for Direct Access etc when they become so sluggish they do not handle properly at all.

I can see a case in larger HGV/PSU being limited to a reasonable speed as they have enough grunt and gears to cope but restriciting something as tinny as a tranny is asking for issues, especially if it is not made clear to whoever is driving.

[tunnie]

have to disagree about it being dangerous.

18 people in a transit? The safest thing to do is sit in the inside land and plod along safley.

So what if its limited? 5/10mph will get you there what 10 minutes quicker?

A fully laiden transit should keep to truck speeds, 18 people in a transit doing 75mph & hitting a car? There will be a lot of blood on the road. Much less if it was doing 55mph! - much more time to react, fully laden, handling, and braking will be affected.

[waspy]

Having driven restricted vehicles, i have to agree with you James. They are dangerous, just when you need a little extra speed to get out of trouble you don't have it. I can understand them restricting, but from a driving point of view no. Speed in itself is not dangerous, it's speed in the wrong circumstances

[tunnie]

again have to disagree. HGV's have been limited for years, they seam to get on ok  

Being restricted makes you think more about forward planning in the road ahead.

[LaserLance]

again have to disagree. HGV's have been limited for years, they seam to get on ok  

Being restricted makes you think more about forward planning in the road ahead.

Very true tunnie ,but it still does wind me up when you see other trucks go flying past you with no limiter fitted (poles , irish,germans) i think that coaches need slowing down a bit , 50 -70 people in a aluminuim box ,when they have a ding it can be a bit naughty as there dosnt seem to be much structral strength in them

[Martin_1962]

When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal

[Lizzie_Zoom]

have to disagree about it being dangerous.

18 people in a transit? The safest thing to do is sit in the inside land and plod along safley.

So what if its limited? 5/10mph will get you there what 10 minutes quicker?

A fully laiden transit should keep to truck speeds, 18 people in a transit doing 75mph & hitting a car? There will be a lot of blood on the road. Much less if it was doing 55mph! - much more time to react, fully laden, handling, and braking will be affected.

I must agree completely Tunnie, and I can certainly speak with experience of driving University minibuses that are limited to 60 .

Usually I like bombing along, but when you have responsibility for 17 kids in the bus I would sooner drive well within the limitations of the vehicle and me as the driver.  At lower speeds I can still make the thing accellerate well and keep out of any trouble, and 60 (well I got it to 62 on some stretches) is quite fast enough on any road, including motorways. 8-) 8-)