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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #15 on: 29 November 2008, 21:27:19 »

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As I still haven't got to the bottom of it I thought I'd ask you lot ;)

The main pc I use died on me about 10 days ago. On a reboot just stayed a blank screen. Tried disconnecting 1 thing at a time but still nothing, ended up down to main hard drive and dvd r/w drive and still blank screen, not even as far as memory check. So reset cmos and it came up, went into bios and reset the date etc. saved and exited and back to blank screen. Reset cmos, pressed F1 to ignore smos settings, halfway booted into vista and BSOD! Reset cmos again and booted to vista dvd, into repar console and did chkdsk c: /r let it run but still doing the same thing...

Fitted new stick of ram, no difference. New motherboard, no difference. New hard drive, no difference. Only thing left is processor and I can't see that causing it! Any opinions?

I suggest you stop whatever it is you are doing and concentrate very hard on diagnosing the problem.
1. the PC died about 10 days ago
2. you reset BIOS and now get the BSoD
3. No matter what you do or have done since:
    a. you still get the BSoD
    b. symptoms are now different
4. if you have ended up with 3.a the reboot to Vista Safe Mode
    http://www.computerhope.com/issues/chsafe.htm#03
5. if you have ended up with 3.b please explain exactly what you get once you power up.
 :y

He mentioned blank screen not BSoD.  2 different things and causes.

When changeing dto new Motherboard sid you use new cables?

Asus boards I know are funny in some cases and have the same issues with odd other brands.  

Do you have a speaker connecyed and are there any beeps.
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #16 on: 30 November 2008, 09:28:23 »

Right clear a few things up...

The BSOD was caused by my USB card and it's drivers. Now removed and no more BSOD.

Both motherboards are acting the same way (the LAN Party is new), once powered up they will boot up normally on a fresh vista on the SATA drive (only that and dvd r/w attached) although the date is set to Jan 06. If I reboot, shut down and start back up or on first boot enter BIOS to change time/date etc. then save and exit thats all it will do. It will just stop there, blank screen. HTH :y
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #17 on: 30 November 2008, 09:44:27 »

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Right clear a few things up...

The BSOD was caused by my USB card and it's drivers. Now removed and no more BSOD.

Both motherboards are acting the same way (the LAN Party is new), once powered up they will boot up normally on a fresh vista on the SATA drive (only that and dvd r/w attached) although the date is set to Jan 06. If I reboot, shut down and start back up or on first boot enter BIOS to change time/date etc. then save and exit thats all it will do. It will just stop there, blank screen. HTH :y

do you have a spare vga card ..my estimation is something is colliding between vga and mobo..  
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #18 on: 30 November 2008, 09:47:38 »

and here is another trial, change the disk (can be empty also or no op .system)  and try to boot from cd-dvd

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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #19 on: 30 November 2008, 09:54:36 »

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Right clear a few things up...

The BSOD was caused by my USB card and it's drivers. Now removed and no more BSOD.

Both motherboards are acting the same way (the LAN Party is new), once powered up they will boot up normally on a fresh vista on the SATA drive (only that and dvd r/w attached) although the date is set to Jan 06. If I reboot, shut down and start back up or on first boot enter BIOS to change time/date etc. then save and exit thats all it will do. It will just stop there, blank screen. HTH :y

do you have a spare vga card ..my estimation is something is colliding between vga and mobo..  

No spare VGA card. can't afford another one either :(

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and here is another trial, change the disk (can be empty also or no op .system)  and try to boot from cd-dvd

The HD is new, Hitachi 250gb SATA. Reset CMOS and it booted fine from Vista DVD and setup until it restarts during setup. Then it just sits there blank screen again. I powered it down, reset CMOS, restarted and setup continued! I'm using the fresh install now but I still have to reset CMOS every time I want it to start or restart.
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #20 on: 30 November 2008, 10:00:13 »

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As I still haven't got to the bottom of it I thought I'd ask you lot ;)

The main pc I use died on me about 10 days ago. On a reboot just stayed a blank screen. Tried disconnecting 1 thing at a time but still nothing, ended up down to main hard drive and dvd r/w drive and still blank screen, not even as far as memory check. So reset cmos and it came up, went into bios and reset the date etc. saved and exited and back to blank screen. Reset cmos, pressed F1 to ignore smos settings, halfway booted into vista and BSOD! Reset cmos again and booted to vista dvd, into repar console and did chkdsk c: /r let it run but still doing the same thing...

Fitted new stick of ram, no difference. New motherboard, no difference. New hard drive, no difference. Only thing left is processor and I can't see that causing it! Any opinions?

I suggest you stop whatever it is you are doing and concentrate very hard on diagnosing the problem.
1. the PC died about 10 days ago
2. you reset BIOS and now get the BSoD
3. No matter what you do or have done since:
    a. you still get the BSoD
    b. symptoms are now different
4. if you have ended up with 3.a the reboot to Vista Safe Mode
    http://www.computerhope.com/issues/chsafe.htm#03
5. if you have ended up with 3.b please explain exactly what you get once you power up.
 :y

He mentioned blank screen not BSoD.  2 different things and causes.

When changeing dto new Motherboard sid you use new cables?

Asus boards I know are funny in some cases and have the same issues with odd other brands.  

Do you have a speaker connecyed and are there any beeps.

ER, excuse me. Read the very first posting where he describes 'the blank screen' followed by resetting the BIOS and then getting BSoD which implies the screen is on and works, irrespective of driver. But hey, what do I know.  :-X
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #21 on: 30 November 2008, 10:02:58 »

I got what you meant GWA :y BSOD sorted, took 1 PCI card out at a time till it stopped, damn usb 2.0 card ;D Still got the blank screen thing tho :(
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #22 on: 30 November 2008, 10:03:48 »

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Right clear a few things up...

The BSOD was caused by my USB card and it's drivers. Now removed and no more BSOD.

Both motherboards are acting the same way (the LAN Party is new), once powered up they will boot up normally on a fresh vista on the SATA drive (only that and dvd r/w attached) although the date is set to Jan 06. If I reboot, shut down and start back up or on first boot enter BIOS to change time/date etc. then save and exit thats all it will do. It will just stop there, blank screen. HTH :y

do you have a spare vga card ..my estimation is something is colliding between vga and mobo..  

No spare VGA card. can't afford another one either :(

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and here is another trial, change the disk (can be empty also or no op .system)  and try to boot from cd-dvd

The HD is new, Hitachi 250gb SATA. Reset CMOS and it booted fine from Vista DVD and setup until it restarts during setup. Then it just sits there blank screen again. I powered it down, reset CMOS, restarted and setup continued! I'm using the fresh install now but I still have to reset CMOS every time I want it to start or restart.

either the cmos cant keep the parameters or the disk developed a problem itself..and a compatibility issue arise..
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #23 on: 30 November 2008, 10:05:46 »

microsoft site tells mostly disk problems for this kind of problem.. :-/
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #24 on: 30 November 2008, 10:07:05 »

I wouldn't get the exact same symptoms from 2 different drives would I? Original drive is an 80gb IDE (small drive as it only runs Vista) so I'm almost convinced it's not that!
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #25 on: 30 November 2008, 10:08:06 »

during boot if boot sectors or ntldr or partition table cant be read this error occurs..
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #26 on: 30 November 2008, 10:10:03 »

ok then ..

now the problem become more complicated..

one component in your system likely VGA card causes disk

malfunction ..may be effecting sata controller..
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #27 on: 30 November 2008, 10:13:35 »

yep.. when I google, it shows boot problems with nvidia some models cause that..dont know why..

also when I installed mine caused me headache..one on board and one external vga ..I struggled for some time to boot..
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #28 on: 30 November 2008, 10:15:20 »

I think your a little too far ahead Cem. It doesn't even make it to the POST screen i.e. not as far as BIOS on a restart unless I clear the CMOS.
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Re: One for the IT guys!
« Reply #29 on: 30 November 2008, 10:19:54 »

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I think your a little too far ahead Cem. It doesn't even make it to the POST screen i.e. not as far as BIOS on a restart unless I clear the CMOS.

dont you have any old vga card or your neighbours/ friends..

I think you need to try that.. :-/


as its morning cant think of a better way..
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