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[Lizzie_Zoom]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CDx1GLqvBO8&search=loose+change
Here you go,this did make me wonder about the whole thing.
Make your own mind up !

Thanks Ian, a great piece of alternative "evidence"! 8-) 8-)

Does the plot thicken? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

1) New York City has 11 letters
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy
the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.

This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:

1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5=11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9+1+1=11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9+1+1=11.
Sheer coincidence..?!

Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. 2+5+4=11.
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2+5+4=11.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3+1+1+2+4 =11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.

Now this is where things get totally eerie:

The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

''For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allahand lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.

Still unconvinced about all of this..?!

Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:

Open Microsoft Word and do the following:
1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to WINGDINGS

What do you think now..?!

Beware of this one Richie, which operates on the same principle as a piece of work I have on the JFK v Lincoln assassinations; facts can be made to fit into a pattern.

Read this web entry:

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/wingdings-911.html

Whatever though, it all makes for intriging reading and thinking ever after!

 

[kris9128]

just tryed that wingdings thing. spooky. also if the twin towers wasnt a cover up then they were the only buildings EVER constructed to collapse naturally within their own footprint.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

just tryed that wingdings thing. spooky. also if the twin towers wasnt a cover up then they were the only buildings EVER constructed to collapse naturally within their own footprint.

But the way they were built was unusual, with the outer walls designed to take the floor weight, along with a central core, and with metal beams holding the floors in place between these.

No other columns were in between these two supporting frames, so when the jet fuel burned at, I believe, up to 2000 degrees c. it buckled the metal fixings at the ends of the floor beams, with them eventually giving way, and that 1 acre of concrete floor collapsed on the next (weakened) floor down, which couldn't take the weight, and the two floors together fell on the next one down, and so on at an estimated speed of 120mph!  Both towers where built to the same design so regrettably went the same way!!

This was anaylised by a team of leading architects who studied the collapse and placed their results on a documentary film. 8-) 8-)

[kris9128]

they were built to be the strongest buildings. thats why they have a steel exo-skeletal design. have a quick look at this site quite interesting http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=069_1180900563

[Lizzie_Zoom]

they were built to be the strongest buildings. thats why they have a steel exo-skeletal design. have a quick look at this site quite interesting http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=069_1180900563

But not strong enough to take the velocity of an acre of steel and concrete crashing down onto one floor after another, which as I stated got to 120mph.  Even the strongest steel will eventually buckle and give way under heat and pressure, but add velocity as well and nothing will stop the collaspe.  

The term "the straw that broke the camel's back" comes to mind!

Velocity indeed is a very powerful force, and on steam railway engines, to add another completely unusual angle to the argument, the clack valve that allows water, at atmospheric pressure, from the tender into the boiler, which can be at 250lb's psi, is done by mixing low steam pressure with the water while it passes through the cones of an injector.  

This adds velocity to the water, that is not under anything like 250lb's psi, to do the seemingly impossible in science and lift the clack valve to allow the water in against the massive boiler pressure.

In the case of the twin towers, architects have proved that this type of velocity, let alone the assistance of the weight of the floors would have taken out the whole building at the speed it was.

[Tommy]

There are 3 documentaries on the possible 9/11 conspiracy. One is ‘loose change’ (already mentioned earlier) the second is ‘9/11 In Plane site’ (  http://www.911inplanesite.com/911synopsis.html ) and I can’t remember the name of the third one but it’s a very technical one involving a cameraman who was on the other side of the river from the Twin Towers. It goes into how fast sound travels etc and comes to the conclusion the towers were demolished (pulled) rather than collapsed.

I have watched all three and have to say I believe something happened which we will never find out the truth about. The true story of JFK has never been revealed and that only involved one death (excluding Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby). The Twin Towers killed thousands.

Over the three films the consensus is that the Pentagon was hit by a tomahawk/cruise missile fired at the one area of the Pentagon that was empty. The owner of the Twin Towers ordered them to be ‘pulled’ (down). He actually uses those words in an interview. If that’s true you have to ask when the explosives were planted as there wasn’t enough time on the day.

Why would the US have done such a terrible thing? At the time the cold war was over and there was no common enemy anymore. The US was having domestic problems and unrest within the country. A leading politician said in a memo that the country could only be brought back together if ‘we had another Pearl Harbour’

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

1) New York City has 11 letters
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy
the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.

This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:

1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5=11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9+1+1=11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9+1+1=11.
Sheer coincidence..?!

Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. 2+5+4=11.
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2+5+4=11.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3+1+1+2+4 =11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.

Now this is where things get totally eerie:

The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

''For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allahand lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.

Still unconvinced about all of this..?!

Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:

Open Microsoft Word and do the following:
1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to WINGDINGS

What do you think now..?!

Beware of this one Richie, which operates on the same principle as a piece of work I have on the JFK v Lincoln assassinations; facts can be made to fit into a pattern.

Read this web entry:

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/wingdings-911.html

Whatever though, it all makes for intriging reading and thinking ever after!

 

Yep......very easy to fall into the trap of almost "willing"...that that there is some underhand cover up going on......The X-files was always great at this sort of thing.

Perhaps some people are more suggestible than others.

Do I think that the powers that be sometimes tell fibs......yes I do.

Do I Believe in the Twin towers/pentagon conspiracy theory....then sorry.....but no I don't.

[Richie London]

 so what about jason bourne then??  

[kris9128]

i guess we'll never know the truth. but.....
if it was the work of a terrorist group, then why go to war with a country that wasnt really involved.
why have they managed to find and hang a man that wasnt really involved. why is the man that was running the group at the time of attack still at liberty.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

i guess we'll never know the truth. but.....
if it was the work of a terrorist group, then why go to war with a country that wasnt really involved.
why have they managed to find and hang a man that wasnt really involved. why is the man that was running the group at the time of attack still at liberty.

Oh yes Kris, no matter what we individually believe there are still many questions requiring answers that we will probably never get!

[kris9128]

i guess we'll never know the truth. but.....
if it was the work of a terrorist group, then why go to war with a country that wasnt really involved.
why have they managed to find and hang a man that wasnt really involved. why is the man that was running the group at the time of attack still at liberty.

Oh yes Kris, no matter what we individually believe there are still many questions requiring answers that we will probably never get!

couldnt agree more lizzie. but it still stands that no matter what or who brought the twin towers down. it was such a tragic unnecessary waste of innocent lives. may they never be forgotten.

[Weds]

Sorry but Q33 NY was not the flight number....

http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Q33ny.shtml

[Lizzie_Zoom]

i guess we'll never know the truth. but.....
if it was the work of a terrorist group, then why go to war with a country that wasnt really involved.
why have they managed to find and hang a man that wasnt really involved. why is the man that was running the group at the time of attack still at liberty.

Oh yes Kris, no matter what we individually believe there are still many questions requiring answers that we will probably never get!

couldnt agree more lizzie. but it still stands that no matter what or who brought the twin towers down. it was such a tragic unnecessary waste of innocent lives. may they never be forgotten.

Oh yes. absolutely right, about 3,000 lives were lost overall and it is all too easy to somehow forget that with all the conspiracy theories, but for me that is why I tend to rule out USA agencies doing the deed .

Could "they" (CIA perhaps) really keep quiet all the police, fireman, relatives, let alone Democratic politicians if they had any proof at all, as in evidence which the former would have acquired after the event? :-? :-? :-?  They lost colleagues and would be after blood if they had any idea at all that this was anything but a terrorist attack.    

Many agents would have to be involved, and they are human beings like the rest of us, some of whom by now would have spoken out for money / due to conscience/ or down to severe mental strain!

[albitz]

Was at the top of one of the towers on 10th august 2001.
Can remember looking down from the windows of the top floor and imagining what it must be like to fall from that height.
Also remember the happy friendly group of youngsters who worked in the restuarant at the top,lots of friendly banter etc; and thinking on the day it happened that they probably wouldnt have got out. what a waste.