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[Gaffers]

I think it rather poetic that Israel be on the receiving end (not that I applaud such activity of course) of terrorist activites when it was the Isrealis who practically invented modern terrorism when the Brits were so-called 'occupiers' in the 50's

I have been on the receiving end of the same rockets that Hamas use (made in China interestingly) and trust me they are awful.  Not very accurate but they do have a large killing radius and when one lands several hundred meters away your bowels move pretty quick too.

The US seems to be defacto supporting this land-grab by not denouncing it publically, trust me if they did then Israel would stop pretty much immediately.  The last time they enetered the Strip and left Hamas used it as massive propeganda that they had won etc.  I wonder how it will pan out this time.

This seems 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.  If you dont want to get bitten on the arse then dont kick the dog  

[Richie London]

i dont have any interest in other countries problems or the politics involved, it will always be the same today or a million yrs time. the problems will always be there. wether it be famine in africa terrorism in the middle east and so on. either the world leaders should all unite and say enough is enough,leave them to it or nuke the tinkers off the earth

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

:-?

So much to say ..

But I will not repeat myself again..

Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians , before and now and then using every chance..

So at least for me, its impossible to be objective about the un balanced struggle in the picture of those civil deaths..

Israel shoot directly at schools, organizations even some belonging to UN.. I hope god one day give their punishment

Agreed Cem.......I started off this Israeli/Palestine conflict by trying to be objective........but the longer it goes on ....the more I can feel my personal subjective views come through.

Israel is nothing more than a outpost for the USA........George Bush ....has the chance to speak out about the conflict .......but chooses to do nothing.....Gordon Brown could and should do the same.......but also does little or nothing.

Israel has control over Gaza......over water ....electricity .....over food....Israel needs to be condemned by western governments ...then the Israeli aggression would cease.


Israel with the consent of the USA ....is a power unto itself...Any United Nations resolutions that Israel does not like .......it ignores.

[Richie London]

has anyone ever read this. was from last yr when it kicked off.
http://docstalk.blogspot.com/2008/03/islam-is-not-religion-nor-is-it-cult-it_16.html

[Nickbat]

I think this thread needs locking. I can see emotions becoming too heated and, sooner or later, there will be an outbreak of nastiness and the forum will suffer for it.  

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think this thread needs locking. I can see emotions becoming too heated and, sooner or later, there will be an outbreak of nastiness and the forum will suffer for it.  

No need to lock this thread Nickbat......it is obviously a contentious subject.......but.....it's fine if we agree .........and it's fine if we don't.

Last thing we want is a bland....dreary ...PC forum.

[cem_devecioglu]

:-?

So much to say ..

But I will not repeat myself again..

Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians , before and now and then using every chance..

So at least for me, its impossible to be objective about the un balanced struggle in the picture of those civil deaths..

Israel shoot directly at schools, organizations even some belonging to UN.. I hope god one day give their punishment

Agreed Cem.......I started off this Israeli/Palestine conflict by trying to be objective........but the longer it goes on ....the more I can feel my personal subjective views come through.

Israel is nothing more than a outpost for the USA........George Bush ....has the chance to speak out about the conflict .......but chooses to do nothing.....Gordon Brown could and should do the same.......but also does little or nothing.

Israel has control over Gaza......over water ....electricity .....over food....Israel needs to be condemned by western governments ...then the Israeli aggression would cease.


Israel with the consent of the USA ....is a power unto itself...Any United Nations resolutions that Israel does not like .......it ignores.

Cant say any better

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think this thread needs locking. I can see emotions becoming too heated and, sooner or later, there will be an outbreak of nastiness and the forum will suffer for it.  

No need to lock this thread Nickbat......it is obviously a contentious subject.......but.....it's fine if we agree .........and it's fine if we don't.

Last thing we want is a bland....dreary ...PC forum.

Well said Optimist (yet again!! ) as we thank God live in a democracy where we can express our opinions one way or another, and so should be able to do so freely on our great British based Forum.

Sometimes we debate passionately; sometimes we disagree strongly, and other times we heartily agree, but always we are true to our feelings, right or wrong.  Afterwards we usually get on and discussed far less "heavy" issues, like the merits of one car over another.  Isn't democracy and free speech lovely! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

As for the Gaza affair; I have said my bit of my previous thread
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231074825
and have nothing else worthwhile to add.  However, in my opinion every member has every right to continue participating in this thread or not, no matter how controversial the comment, and how personally distasteful I find it. 8-) 8-) 8-)

We are adults and friends here I like to believe, who can make their own decisions.

Well done to the Admins for yet again managing this Forum to perfection!!

[feeutfo]

I think this thread needs locking. I can see emotions becoming too heated and, sooner or later, there will be an outbreak of nastiness and the forum will suffer for it.  

No need to lock this thread Nickbat......it is obviously a contentious subject.......but.....it's fine if we agree .........and it's fine if we don't.

Last thing we want is a bland....dreary ...PC forum.

Well said Optimist (yet again!! ) as we thank God live in a democracy where we can express our opinions one way or another, and so should be able to do so freely on our great British based Forum.

Sometimes we debate passionately; sometimes we disagree strongly, and other times we heartily agree, but always we are true to our feelings, right or wrong.  Afterwards we usually get on and discussed far less "heavy" issues, like the merits of one car over another.  Isn't democracy and free speech lovely! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

As for the Gaza affair; I have said my bit of my previous thread
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231074825
and have nothing else worthwhile to add.  However, in my opinion every member has every right to continue participating in this thread or not, no matter how controversial the comment, and how personally distasteful I find it. 8-) 8-) 8-)

We are adults and friends here I like to believe, who can make their own decisions.

Well done to the Admins for yet again managing this Forum to perfection!!

Totally agree, Lizzie. Just hope threads of this nature do not cause Admin too much grief,work, stress, they have enough to do. Only for that reason should they pull the plug, imho.

[Nickbat]

I think this thread needs locking. I can see emotions becoming too heated and, sooner or later, there will be an outbreak of nastiness and the forum will suffer for it.  

No need to lock this thread Nickbat......it is obviously a contentious subject.......but.....it's fine if we agree .........and it's fine if we don't.

Last thing we want is a bland....dreary ...PC forum.

Well said Optimist (yet again!! ) as we thank God live in a democracy where we can express our opinions one way or another, and so should be able to do so freely on our great British based Forum.

Sometimes we debate passionately; sometimes we disagree strongly, and other times we heartily agree, but always we are true to our feelings, right or wrong.  Afterwards we usually get on and discussed far less "heavy" issues, like the merits of one car over another.  Isn't democracy and free speech lovely! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

As for the Gaza affair; I have said my bit of my previous thread
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231074825
and have nothing else worthwhile to add.  However, in my opinion every member has every right to continue participating in this thread or not, no matter how controversial the comment, and how personally distasteful I find it. 8-) 8-) 8-)

We are adults and friends here I like to believe, who can make their own decisions.

Well done to the Admins for yet again managing this Forum to perfection!!

Lizzie, you know that I'm a firm believer in free speech and I am not suggesting censorship. It's just that we all need to be careful about this particular issue. It is highly emotional and we have, I think, a broad membership. If accusations about the behaviour of either the Palestinians or the Israelis become too strong, we risk deeply upsetting some members, IMHO.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think this thread needs locking. I can see emotions becoming too heated and, sooner or later, there will be an outbreak of nastiness and the forum will suffer for it.  

No need to lock this thread Nickbat......it is obviously a contentious subject.......but.....it's fine if we agree .........and it's fine if we don't.

Last thing we want is a bland....dreary ...PC forum.

Well said Optimist (yet again!! ) as we thank God live in a democracy where we can express our opinions one way or another, and so should be able to do so freely on our great British based Forum.

Sometimes we debate passionately; sometimes we disagree strongly, and other times we heartily agree, but always we are true to our feelings, right or wrong.  Afterwards we usually get on and discussed far less "heavy" issues, like the merits of one car over another.  Isn't democracy and free speech lovely! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

As for the Gaza affair; I have said my bit of my previous thread
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231074825
and have nothing else worthwhile to add.  However, in my opinion every member has every right to continue participating in this thread or not, no matter how controversial the comment, and how personally distasteful I find it. 8-) 8-) 8-)

We are adults and friends here I like to believe, who can make their own decisions.

Well done to the Admins for yet again managing this Forum to perfection!!

Lizzie, you know that I'm a firm believer in free speech and I am not suggesting censorship. It's just that we all need to be careful about this particular issue. It is highly emotional and we have, I think, a broad membership. If accusations about the behaviour of either the Palestinians or the Israelis become too strong, we risk deeply upsetting some members, IMHO.

I take your point completely Nickbat,and we should of course remember our membership is International, so no doubt includes those who sit both sides of the fence in Gaza and Israel.

However, free speech should not be restricted just because we fear a risk of upsetting certain members. In that way we create the very thing many of us fear, a completely "politically correct", sanitized, cotton wool protected society that cannot discuss anything in case we upset someone!

In fact I am sure that many would have been extremely interested in the balanced views, along with any extreme ones, as they are probably only too pleased that we in Britain care enough about their plight to make comment in our free society, known to be usually balanced and fair.

However, for those deeply involved in this conflict I feel sure have other things to worry about than a few comments on a British based car forum!

[feeutfo]

I think this thread needs locking. I can see emotions becoming too heated and, sooner or later, there will be an outbreak of nastiness and the forum will suffer for it.  

No need to lock this thread Nickbat......it is obviously a contentious subject.......but.....it's fine if we agree .........and it's fine if we don't.

Last thing we want is a bland....dreary ...PC forum.

Well said Optimist (yet again!! ) as we thank God live in a democracy where we can express our opinions one way or another, and so should be able to do so freely on our great British based Forum.

Sometimes we debate passionately; sometimes we disagree strongly, and other times we heartily agree, but always we are true to our feelings, right or wrong.  Afterwards we usually get on and discussed far less "heavy" issues, like the merits of one car over another.  Isn't democracy and free speech lovely! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

As for the Gaza affair; I have said my bit of my previous thread
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231074825
and have nothing else worthwhile to add.  However, in my opinion every member has every right to continue participating in this thread or not, no matter how controversial the comment, and how personally distasteful I find it. 8-) 8-) 8-)

We are adults and friends here I like to believe, who can make their own decisions.

Well done to the Admins for yet again managing this Forum to perfection!!

Lizzie, you know that I'm a firm believer in free speech and I am not suggesting censorship. It's just that we all need to be careful about this particular issue. It is highly emotional and we have, I think, a broad membership. If accusations about the behaviour of either the Palestinians or the Israelis become too strong, we risk deeply upsetting some members, IMHO.

Then those offended should inform us and post reasons why, so we can apologise/explane/debate/understand the other point of view, in a lawfull and responsible manor. In that way we come together, hopefully, respect the other point of view, and become a community in piece. Do you see the comparison? Call me naive  if you like.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think this thread needs locking. I can see emotions becoming too heated and, sooner or later, there will be an outbreak of nastiness and the forum will suffer for it.  

No need to lock this thread Nickbat......it is obviously a contentious subject.......but.....it's fine if we agree .........and it's fine if we don't.

Last thing we want is a bland....dreary ...PC forum.

Well said Optimist (yet again!! ) as we thank God live in a democracy where we can express our opinions one way or another, and so should be able to do so freely on our great British based Forum.

Sometimes we debate passionately; sometimes we disagree strongly, and other times we heartily agree, but always we are true to our feelings, right or wrong.  Afterwards we usually get on and discussed far less "heavy" issues, like the merits of one car over another.  Isn't democracy and free speech lovely! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

As for the Gaza affair; I have said my bit of my previous thread
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231074825
and have nothing else worthwhile to add.  However, in my opinion every member has every right to continue participating in this thread or not, no matter how controversial the comment, and how personally distasteful I find it. 8-) 8-) 8-)

We are adults and friends here I like to believe, who can make their own decisions.

Well done to the Admins for yet again managing this Forum to perfection!!

Lizzie, you know that I'm a firm believer in free speech and I am not suggesting censorship. It's just that we all need to be careful about this particular issue. It is highly emotional and we have, I think, a broad membership. If accusations about the behaviour of either the Palestinians or the Israelis become too strong, we risk deeply upsetting some members, IMHO.

I take your point completely Nickbat,and we should of course remember our membership is International, so no doubt includes those who sit both sides of the fence in Gaza and Israel.

However, free speech should not be restricted just because we fear a risk of upsetting certain members. In that way we create the very thing many of us fear, a completely "politically correct", sanitized, cotton wool protected society that cannot discuss anything in case we upset someone!
In fact I am sure that many would have been extremely interested in the balanced views, along with any extreme ones, as they are probably only too pleased that we in Britain care enough about their plight to make comment in our free society, known to be usually balanced and fair.

However, for those deeply involved in this conflict I feel sure have other things to worry about than a few comments on a British based car forum!

Yes spot on Lizzie.......free speech is free speech.......I have my views.....but I do not in  any way try to deliberately offend people just........ for the sake of it.

But it is very difficult to have free speech up to a point ......and then......................no free speech.....as Nickbat seems to suggest......(although...I can see his point)

I believe the forum rules regarding "general chat".....are ......speak about anything you like .....but keep it .....legal ...and polite.

[sir moanalot]

im staying (nearly) neutral, but i wonder what conflict would arise if hamas did not fire rockets into israel?
i would not punch my neighbour (who i dont like) if he didnt chuck litter in my garden !!
different religions, different upbringings and brainwashed thoughts- they aint ever gonna sort it out !!!

[Turk]

Well, this thread is my fault, and posting that link without a suitable and clear warning as to the content was grossly irresponsible on my part ,  but I don't think I've clarified, it was not posted as pro-Israeli or pro-Hamas. It was to highlight the pain and suffering of the civilian people of Gaza.
It's very much six of one and half a dozen of the other.
One news clip shows Israel attacking a Mosque. There is the initial explosion of the rocket and then an almighty secondary explosion as the ammunition hidden in the Mosque exploded.

The innocent civilians are the ones to suffer most.  

And yet again American Govt. shows it's true colours by abstaining from the vote.