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[Martin_1962]

One news clip shows Israel attacking a Mosque. There is the initial explosion of the rocket and then an almighty secondary explosion as the ammunition hidden in the Mosque exploded.

That isn't on!

Civilians on both sides as well - most people just want peace.

TBH Hamas should not have kept provoking with the rockets.

[Entwood]

But Hamas would never hide ammunition in a Mosque, or place a rocket firing point in a school/hospital/housing area.

This is all just propoganda by American backed press/BBC/Jews


I can see all the Israeli haters sharpening their pencils already.

Unfortunately there are those that actually believe the above to be true.

Hamas have a POLICY of trying to make casualties on their side in order to obtain "sympathy" for their "cause" ... which has nothing to with religion or land.

It is, and always will be .. about POWER ... that is the Arab way and has been for thousands of years

[cem_devecioglu]

Question :

do you believe if Hamas wont be there, Israel will do nothing and stay peacefully..

Thats funny..

edit:

and who create the image of islamic terorists and pay money to them on the background and give them arms..

and even make them a real pain for their believers..

and who own most of those media.. sorry but if you dont want to see

no one can force you..

and before the oil how was the middle east and now how is ?

[cem_devecioglu]

Why Hamas is Not the Issue ?

Here are views from a Professor in Boston College..

"During the first Palestinian Intifada (literally “shaking off” the occupation), a Hamas resistance military wing was formed. Israel and the US favored and met with Islamic Hamas leadership as a counterforce to the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Fatah faction then dominant in the Intifada. As Hamas later strengthened, Israel reversed the process"

http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza-history-matters.html

[Kevin Wood]

I'm not qualified to comment either way, but was digging deep through my music collection tonight and found some lyrics that I found poignant.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/marillion/forgotten+sons_20088912.html

Kevin

[feeutfo]

Why Hamas is Not the Issue ?

Here are views from a Professor in Boston College..

"During the first Palestinian Intifada (literally shaking off the occupation), a Hamas resistance military wing was formed. Israel and the US favored and met with Islamic Hamas leadership as a counterforce to the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Fatah faction then dominant in the Intifada. As Hamas later strengthened, Israel reversed the process"

http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza-history-matters.html

Hi Cem, do you think hamas should agree to the cease fire? Which, obviously includes a halt to rocket attacks.

[cem_devecioglu]

Why Hamas is Not the Issue ?

Here are views from a Professor in Boston College..

"During the first Palestinian Intifada (literally
shaking off
 the occupation), a Hamas resistance military wing was formed. Israel and the US favored and met with Islamic Hamas leadership as a counterforce to the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Fatah faction then dominant in the Intifada. As Hamas later strengthened, Israel reversed the process"

http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza-history-matters.html

Hi Cem, do you think hamas should agree to the cease fire? Which, obviously includes a halt to rocket attacks.

of course yes..

however I have suspicions that Hamas been used indirectly ..

Having strong religious motives they are very suitable for Israel And US to abuse..

edit:

if military power is on the scene Palestinians can get only death..

[feeutfo]

Why Hamas is Not the Issue ?

Here are views from a Professor in Boston College..

"During the first Palestinian Intifada (literally
shaking off
 the occupation), a Hamas resistance military wing was formed. Israel and the US favored and met with Islamic Hamas leadership as a counterforce to the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Fatah faction then dominant in the Intifada. As Hamas later strengthened, Israel reversed the process"

http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza-history-matters.html

Hi Cem, do you think hamas should agree to the cease fire? Which, obviously includes a halt to rocket attacks.

of course yes..

however I have suspicions that Hamas been used indirectly ..

Having strong religious motives they are very suitable for Israel And US to abuse..

edit:

if military power is on the scene Palestinians can get only death..

And if Hamas stop, to answer your previous question, I beleive isreal will withdraw, they must, they did vote to agree to the Un ceasefire resolution, (when the U.S. abstained, and Hamas did not even attend), but when Hamas refuse to ceasefire the whole process became pointless. The ceasefire, in U.N. eyes at least, is for the good of the people of Gaza. It seems the people of Gaza do not agree? Although the Plastiniam president pleaded(in effect) for Hamas to stop, hamas official then renounced him, live on tv, in a one to one interview, no gun to  head on either side, live in the heat of the moment, no sensorship, no B.S.

This is the situation, no doubt about it, so hamas must be to blame, yes there are other angles and side shows, in the first instance these are not important to the immediate life/death of the people of Gaza, after the cease fire yes, but not in the ceasefire process which is the first step......imho :-)

[Richie London]

i thought peeps would have had enough of this thread by now  

[cem_devecioglu]

No matter people,countries,organizations talk and debate and agree and think ,Israel have a master plan that no one ever can stop  them to follow.. History prooved that..

[Pitchfork]

No matter people,countries,organizations talk and debate and agree and think ,Israel have a master plan that no one ever can stop  them to follow.. History prooved that..

How very true, and they revel in 'victim status'

[Banjax]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

[Pitchfork]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

In a nutshell!! Thank you

[BigAl]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

That's some imagination you've got  

[dispondent 1]

there is clearly more to it all than given to us via the media, and we are looking at it through western eyes, there are cultural differences  that drive people in different ways , killing inoccent people clearly is not right, but the mind set is different , whats valued in the western world by you and me differs in other parts of the world clearly!