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[Banjax]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

That's some imagination you've got  

poetic licence?  

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

Good analogy........well said.

[dispondent 1]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

Good analogy........well said.

but is it ? :-/

[cem_devecioglu]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

very good empathy

[Turk]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

That's some imagination you've got  

Hmm...true...but it's the French !    

[Dusty]

I have read this thread for some days ,and with some interest.

Although I am certainly no expert on conflict in the middle east,this is my opinion.

I think that Palestinians see it like this.

In 1948 much of their land was given away against their will mainly by the USA and Britain to make the new country of Israel.

The Palestinians were not well pleased.

They became even less happy ,when in 1967 Israel decided that they needed more land and so decided to start a war by invading other parts of the middle east and Palestine.

Although this broke many U.N .resolutions, Israel was able to get away with this because of huge backing from the USA,who wished for a friendly face in the region.

I believe that the Israeli people see it like this.

Any land in the region was theirs to begin with,and that Israel had a devine right to all lands in the region.

In my opinion ,most of Israel claim on land seems to come from obscure biblical reference and text.

It appears to have little legitimacy in modern day law.

It seem to me that Israel has occupied and controlled part of Gaza/Palestine for the last 42 years,with the help of the USA. :-/ :-/ :-/

[Richie London]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

That's some imagination you've got  

Hmm...true...but it's the French !    

would never happen, french are too lazy to do anything after a couple of hrs work. too busy riding there bikes and blocking the ports  

[cem_devecioglu]

just watching the news :

Israel soldiers collect 110 palestinian in a house (mostly families) and say "this home is secure stay here" and then..the next day jets bomb the house and 33 is dead...          

UN: this is a war crime

[feeutfo]

have been reading these posts with interest - and far from being an expert i can sum it up quite easily - and this is for those memberes who say they don't care what goes on in other countries - well lets look at the problem using the UK instead of Palestine.

Imagine France didn't exist, but there were millions of French people who were persecuted during WW2 much to the shame of the allies - in a fit of guilt, they decree that henceforth all French people shall have England as their rightful home. What about all the English living in England? - well shove them all into refugee camps in Cornwall and wall it off - if they try to leave, shoot them.
Now the English trapped in Cornwall start getting underground help from the scots, Welsh and Irish and arm themselves with bombs and missiles, targetting the towns and cities where they used to live but were forced out.
London - backed by the USA (who's successive governments cannot afford to piss of the huge and powerful French voice) starts bombing back, Cornwall starts sending suicide bombers, missiles and rockets, London bombs back and so on and so forth.

Now, if you were an Englishman, forced to live in a tent in Cornwall while the French took all your homes and land, would you be happy about it? or would you never rest until you'd driven the French out of England?

Now theres more to it than that - but thats the gist.

The atrocities committed by Nazi-Germany on the Jewish people will never and cannot be forgotten - it does not give Israel a divine right to  kill thousands of innocents - they of all people should know that.

I have tried to put my self in the position of the Palestinians, by a very similar comparison to yours and while i admit i do not know the history of the region past my own  memory of live events in the media, in simple terms as you have put it, its impossible not to agree, i would resist.

But two things do not add up in the real Gaza situation for me...

1, the region has been so unstable and claimed to be "owned" by so many for so long, how can any one group take any part as their own over any other?

2, regardless of 1 above, both sides have agreed to ceasefires in the past, my recollection is only Israel's opponents break said caesefire? although i am not certain my recollection is entirely correct, i am certain this time around in the current crisis.

Imho....