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[gwa]

Nah, Nah, Nah ... 'tis b0ll0cks. We live in a Police State, and the sooner you all recognise it the faster you'll understand. Any Police Officer can say what he/she likes and 99% of anybody will take their word against yours (especially a Court, but not necessarily a Jury). If thats not a Police State I don't know what is! If you argue your innocence they'll arrest you for obstructing an Officer in the course of his duty or get you on a public order offense. Thanks Tony, Thanks Gordon.



 

Totally agree -- your response IS b*ll*cks  

OK, I'll accept your opinion. However, how many people do you know that have successfully challenged in court?. How many people do you know that have argued their innocence and got rougher justice. None.? When was the last time you heard of an Officer saying "naughty boy, don't do it again"?. Nah, its all about Nick Em and keep the stats up and the income coming in!

[Andy B]

..... When was the last time you heard of an Officer saying "naughty boy, don't do it again"?. Nah, its all about Nick Em and keep the stats up and the income coming in!

About 18 mths back when I was on my bike .... but that kind of policing is becoming rare.  

[Jim]

Nah, Nah, Nah ... 'tis b0ll0cks. We live in a Police State, and the sooner you all recognise it the faster you'll understand. Any Police Officer can say what he/she likes and 99% of anybody will take their word against yours (especially a Court, but not necessarily a Jury). If thats not a Police State I don't know what is! If you argue your innocence they'll arrest you for obstructing an Officer in the course of his duty or get you on a public order offense. Thanks Tony, Thanks Gordon.

 

Hear, Hear!!!

I'm over in Germany just know, and it's great to just get on to the Autobahn and not have to worry about the police, unless you are driving in a restriced part then you stick to the limit

[HolyCount]

Nah, Nah, Nah ... 'tis b0ll0cks. We live in a Police State, and the sooner you all recognise it the faster you'll understand. Any Police Officer can say what he/she likes and 99% of anybody will take their word against yours (especially a Court, but not necessarily a Jury). If thats not a Police State I don't know what is! If you argue your innocence they'll arrest you for obstructing an Officer in the course of his duty or get you on a public order offense. Thanks Tony, Thanks Gordon.



 

Totally agree -- your response IS b*ll*cks  

OK, I'll accept your opinion. However, how many people do you know that have successfully challenged in court?. How many people do you know that have argued their innocence and got rougher justice. None.? When was the last time you heard of an Officer saying "naughty boy, don't do it again"?. Nah, its all about Nick Em and keep the stats up and the income coming in!

I would say about ... hang on .... middle of November .... 8 weeks ago.  I was stopped doing ...erm ...  40 just inside a 30 zone.  Officer asked if I knew why he had stopped me. I said, I am guessing I was a tad too fast.

He asked me what speed I thought I was doing and I said 35-ish.  Was given a little lecture on how to tell I was in a 30 zone and told to be more careful ......... then let on my way.

Now .... if I had been full of attitude and ..... in your words ARGUED ... I would have been ticketed.  But I was polite, and he was courteous in response. Police Officers are only human --- p*ss them off and they will react accordingly!

[gwa]

..... When was the last time you heard of an Officer saying "naughty boy, don't do it again"?. Nah, its all about Nick Em and keep the stats up and the income coming in!

About 18 mths back when I was on my bike .... but that kind of policing is becoming rare.  

Precisely my point!

[gwa]

Nah, Nah, Nah ... 'tis b0ll0cks. We live in a Police State, and the sooner you all recognise it the faster you'll understand. Any Police Officer can say what he/she likes and 99% of anybody will take their word against yours (especially a Court, but not necessarily a Jury). If thats not a Police State I don't know what is! If you argue your innocence they'll arrest you for obstructing an Officer in the course of his duty or get you on a public order offense. Thanks Tony, Thanks Gordon.



 

Totally agree -- your response IS b*ll*cks  

OK, I'll accept your opinion. However, how many people do you know that have successfully challenged in court?. How many people do you know that have argued their innocence and got rougher justice. None.? When was the last time you heard of an Officer saying "naughty boy, don't do it again"?. Nah, its all about Nick Em and keep the stats up and the income coming in!

I would say about ... hang on .... middle of November .... 8 weeks ago.  I was stopped doing ...erm ...  40 just inside a 30 zone.  Officer asked if I knew why he had stopped me. I said, I am guessing I was a tad too fast.

He asked me what speed I thought I was doing and I said 35-ish.  Was given a little lecture on how to tell I was in a 30 zone and told to be more careful ......... then let on my way.

Now .... if I had been full of attitude and ..... in your words ARGUED ... I would have been ticketed.  But I was polite, and he was courteous in response. Police Officers are only human --- p*ss them off and they will react accordingly!

I quite agree, pi$$ me off and I'd get my revenge somehow. But in the majority of stops I bet theres a ticket. I guess someone needs to do a freedom of information request for the answer.....

I still enjoy the debate and provoking discussion though

[HolyCount]

..... When was the last time you heard of an Officer saying "naughty boy, don't do it again"?. Nah, its all about Nick Em and keep the stats up and the income coming in!

About 18 mths back when I was on my bike .... but that kind of policing is becoming rare.  

Precisely my point!

But it is also changing t'other way about --- when was the last time you heard a guy who had just beaten the hell out of his girlfriend say "Sorry Officer, I did wrong and accept that I have to be dealt with "

Or the kid stopped on his hairdryer for running a red light, and incidentally having no tax and insurance, let alone a licence, taking it on the chin --- nah THEY fight argue and scream, spit out their dummies ... no way is it all one sided !!!!!

[HolyCount]

Nah, Nah, Nah ... 'tis b0ll0cks. We live in a Police State, and the sooner you all recognise it the faster you'll understand. Any Police Officer can say what he/she likes and 99% of anybody will take their word against yours (especially a Court, but not necessarily a Jury). If thats not a Police State I don't know what is! If you argue your innocence they'll arrest you for obstructing an Officer in the course of his duty or get you on a public order offense. Thanks Tony, Thanks Gordon.



 

Totally agree -- your response IS b*ll*cks  

OK, I'll accept your opinion. However, how many people do you know that have successfully challenged in court?. How many people do you know that have argued their innocence and got rougher justice. None.? When was the last time you heard of an Officer saying "naughty boy, don't do it again"?. Nah, its all about Nick Em and keep the stats up and the income coming in!

I would say about ... hang on .... middle of November .... 8 weeks ago.  I was stopped doing ...erm ...  40 just inside a 30 zone.  Officer asked if I knew why he had stopped me. I said, I am guessing I was a tad too fast.

He asked me what speed I thought I was doing and I said 35-ish.  Was given a little lecture on how to tell I was in a 30 zone and told to be more careful ......... then let on my way.

Now .... if I had been full of attitude and ..... in your words ARGUED ... I would have been ticketed.  But I was polite, and he was courteous in response. Police Officers are only human --- p*ss them off and they will react accordingly!

I quite agree, pi$$ me off and I'd get my revenge somehow. But in the majority of stops I bet theres a ticket. I guess someone needs to do a freedom of information request for the answer.....

I still enjoy the debate and provoking discussion though

And why not -- that is one freedom we can enjoy (well mostly) in this country  

[Andy B]

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I would say about ... hang on .... middle of November .... 8 weeks ago.  I was stopped doing ...erm ...  40 just inside a 30 zone.  Officer asked if I knew why he had stopped me. I said, I am guessing I was a tad too fast.
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Now .... if I had been full of attitude and ..... in your words ARGUED ... I would have been ticketed.  But I was polite, and he was courteous in response. Police Officers are only human --- p*ss them off and they will react accordingly!

The difference bewteen your case & the original post is that you were breaking a law 40 in a 30, like when the bike copper stopped me on my bike, I had no arguement - I was doing more than 30. The girl in the original post was not actually breaking a law .... so far there is no law against eating & driving. In the opinion of the copper she wasn't in contro of the car cos she was using one hand. She was allegedly asked  "what if a kid had stepped out in front of her?" In my car the brakes are operated by my feet ... f*** all to do with a butty in my hand.

[gwa]

..... When was the last time you heard of an Officer saying "naughty boy, don't do it again"?. Nah, its all about Nick Em and keep the stats up and the income coming in!

About 18 mths back when I was on my bike .... but that kind of policing is becoming rare.  

Precisely my point!

But it is also changing t'other way about --- when was the last time you heard a guy who had just beaten the hell out of his girlfriend say "Sorry Officer, I did wrong and accept that I have to be dealt with "

Or the kid stopped on his hairdryer for running a red light, and incidentally having no tax and insurance, let alone a licence, taking it on the chin --- nah THEY fight argue and scream, spit out their dummies ... no way is it all one sided !!!!!

Nope, didn't say it was but agree with Holy Counts post; its becoming rare (common sense and reason). But hey, I like to think I'm a good honest, upright citizen who occasionally misjudges the speedo (by a tad).  

[HolyCount]

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I would say about ... hang on .... middle of November .... 8 weeks ago.  I was stopped doing ...erm ...  40 just inside a 30 zone.  Officer asked if I knew why he had stopped me. I said, I am guessing I was a tad too fast.
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Now .... if I had been full of attitude and ..... in your words ARGUED ... I would have been ticketed.  But I was polite, and he was courteous in response. Police Officers are only human --- p*ss them off and they will react accordingly!

The difference bewteen your case & the original post is that you were breaking a law 40 in a 30, like when the bike copper stopped me on my bike, I had no arguement - I was doing more than 30. The girl in the original post was not actually breaking a law .... so far there is no law against eating & driving. In the opinion of the copper she wasn't in contro of the car cos she was using one hand. She was allegedly asked  "what if a kid had stepped out in front of her?" In my car the brakes are operated by my feet ... f*** all to do with a butty in my hand.

I see what you mean .. but ... ( there's always a but!) ....  she could use the same arguement about using a mobile phone -- she can still see the brakes !!! The point the copper was making ( I believe) was that her full attention was not on the road ahead. Yes, she could still brake -- but maybe a few seconds too late ... a few potentially fatal seconds.  As I said before, we were not there, so don't know the amount of attention she was paying to her "bit of bread" .... so not in a position to definatively say who was right or wrong!

Oh, and the response from me quoted was not about breaking the law or not -- it was about the way you get treated when stopped -- so taken completely out of context

[HolyCount]

And another thing .....    I think, to a certain extent gwa has a point ----- I think that respect for the law, along with common sense in applying it, IS going down the toilet on both sides !!!!  And one feeds the other.

[Andy B]

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Oh, and the response from me quoted was not about breaking the law or not -- it was about the way you get treated when stopped -- so taken completely out of context

  :-?  :-?  :-?  I suppose it depends whether you know you're in the wrong or think you're in the right! As you say, argueing with a copper who's just pulled you for doing 47 in a 30 (me not you ) wouldn't exactly be a good move!    

[gwa]

Not saying the Officer was and not saying she was either. Its a matter of perception, how (we'll call the officer He) he perceived she was driving, behaving and more importantly how he perceived she was in control or not.

Point is; its a £60 fine and 3 points, fair do's. But, if you challenge and go to Court, put up a good fight, deliver a good defense etc, they (the authorities) will still take the word of the Office against yours. Then they have the audacity to increase the fine and/or points. And this is NOT a Police State!   :-/ :-?

Oh, I actually believe she should have got more, cos it was well published in the media about girl getting nicked for eating a Mars Bar some years ago.....  

[HolyCount]

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Oh, and the response from me quoted was not about breaking the law or not -- it was about the way you get treated when stopped -- so taken completely out of context

  :-?  :-?  :-?  I suppose it depends whether you know you're in the wrong or think you're in the right! As you say, argueing with a copper who's just pulled you for doing 47 in a 30 (me not you ) wouldn't exactly be a good move!    

True, and it was 40 Occifer