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[cem_devecioglu]

We have test run our latest software on Windows 7 and it does work, however NONE of our customers have shown ANY interest in Vista at all.
As to ther PCs

I'd guess about 75% XP, 10% 2000, 15% 98, and there is resistance to XP from some of our customers hardware support companies.

A lot of our customers like the DOS package and do not want to move to our Windows package, and we still have about 10% of the system to finish converting.

But then it is a case of do we convert a rarely used screen or develope a module loads of users are crying out for?

agreed..non of the customers (mostly commercial) are willing to pay license fees for new operating systems or new applications..their main idea is "if the old one is working keep it".. So let the programmers stay hungry

[sev]

From a pricing and roll-out point of view, why don't Microsoft have just one version of the OS (such as ultimate) and price it reasonably and users from basic to enterprise can install the specific area's they need?

Apple's OS X does just that, there is only one apart from the server edition. All for £83 for a single user licence.

I never got the whole 'flavours' thing, as I'd have preferred to just have everything that ultimate offers, and then make my own choices on how to configure.

[TheBoy]

From a pricing and roll-out point of view, why don't Microsoft have just one version of the OS (such as ultimate) and price it reasonably and users from basic to enterprise can install the specific area's they need?

Apple's OS X does just that, there is only one apart from the server edition. All for £83 for a single user licence.

I never got the whole 'flavours' thing, as I'd have preferred to just have everything that ultimate offers, and then make my own choices on how to configure.

because it would make it too expensive for most users - most home users aren't going to want to pay more for their Windows to use features they'll never need.

Also, remember, the business versions include additional licences to connect to Windows Servers, hence part of the increased cost.

[Marks DTM Calib]

We currently see quite a push for Vista support for our PC based apps.....and Linux as well!

[TheBoy]

We currently see quite a push for Vista support for our PC based apps.....and Linux as well!

Are your apps monitoring type apps - seems to be a few of these going on to Unix (though tend to be proper Unix rather than Linux ime)?  Or are they desktop apps?

[sev]

From a pricing and roll-out point of view, why don't Microsoft have just one version of the OS (such as ultimate) and price it reasonably and users from basic to enterprise can install the specific area's they need?

Apple's OS X does just that, there is only one apart from the server edition. All for £83 for a single user licence.

I never got the whole 'flavours' thing, as I'd have preferred to just have everything that ultimate offers, and then make my own choices on how to configure.

because it would make it too expensive for most users - most home users aren't going to want to pay more for their Windows to use features they'll never need.

Also, remember, the business versions include additional licences to connect to Windows Servers, hence part of the increased cost.

Buy OS X does that anyway.. and you cant buy home premium or business Vista for £83 all in. - windows basic 120 odd - windows home premium 140 odd.  RRP.

OS X Ultimate everythng 83 quid. Oh and it includes all the tools for interfacing with servers.

[TheBoy]

From a pricing and roll-out point of view, why don't Microsoft have just one version of the OS (such as ultimate) and price it reasonably and users from basic to enterprise can install the specific area's they need?

Apple's OS X does just that, there is only one apart from the server edition. All for £83 for a single user licence.

I never got the whole 'flavours' thing, as I'd have preferred to just have everything that ultimate offers, and then make my own choices on how to configure.

because it would make it too expensive for most users - most home users aren't going to want to pay more for their Windows to use features they'll never need.

Also, remember, the business versions include additional licences to connect to Windows Servers, hence part of the increased cost.

Buy OS X does that anyway.. and you cant buy home premium or business Vista for £83 all in. - windows basic 120 odd - windows home premium 140 odd.  RRP.

OS X Ultimate everythng 83 quid. Oh and it includes all the tools for interfacing with servers.

Vista Basic has tools to connect to servers.  It lacks, like OSX, the advanced capabilities of Active Directory (Unix based systems don't really have anything similar - NIS is rubbish, Novell's solution costs big bucks)

[sev]

that may be so... but it's still £83 for everything as opposed to nearly 300

[TheBoy]

that may be so... but it's still £83 for everything as opposed to nearly 300

But you could equally argue that its £50 (for Home Basic) for everything that OSX offers

[sev]

that may be so... but it's still £83 for everything as opposed to nearly 300

But you could equally argue that its £50 (for Home Basic) for everything that OSX offers

er... no it doesn't.  If you're going to go down that road, then ultimate offers everything that OS X offers. If we're going to get really picky, then even factor in iLife, for another 40 quid, still works out cheaper than ultimate.

Ultimate is OS X's parallel not home basic.

[TheBoy]

that may be so... but it's still £83 for everything as opposed to nearly 300

But you could equally argue that its £50 (for Home Basic) for everything that OSX offers

er... no it doesn't.  If you're going to go down that road, then ultimate offers everything that OS X offers. If we're going to get really picky, then even factor in iLife, for another 40 quid, still works out cheaper than ultimate.

Ultimate is OS X's parallel not home basic.

We'll agree to disagree on that then, as OSX offers nothing related to AD.  Ever wondered why corporates aren't snapping up OSX?  Manageability .  The fact that Vista Business will be so much cheaper than OSX is an added bonus, but not primary importance.  OSX clients would also need CALs to access all those corporate file and print servers, not to mention those Exchange servers.  Vista Business includes the Windows CAL.

If the home/hobby arena, OSX is competing against Vista Home versions, based on the functionality required.  Unless you want Media Center (still the best PC based interface overall), or need to run Aero (why?), then Home Basic fits the bill

[TheBoy]

I'm certainly not knocking OSX - its the best Apple OS by a mile, and certainly has a following in some niche areas.

Unfortunately, a little bit to quirky still for the likes of Joe Public (ie, people like my mum), and certainly hopeless in corporate environment.

[sev]

yes, but it's way better than home basic... go on .... say it...

as for what do you need aero for, well that's a consumer thing - it's eye candy, and todays consumers are driven by eye candy.

You're a programmer, your mind works in logic, functionality and necessity - of which there's nothing wrong, but the consumer is driven by a visual and tactile need.

However iphone is restricted and limited, it works on those levels, addressing the needs of 99% of what people require, rather than what then need or funtionality to do.

I run a winmo and I can see it's potential and power, but my missus isn't a techie, she has no interest in technology past will it do what I want and will it look nice.

I phone was confortable to her within 2 minutes, the winmo I bought her is on fleabay now unused after trying to get into it for three days.

Also, consumers like having lots of stuff going on, which is why in the same breath they can't understand why their computers are slow... try as you might to tell them that the virtual cat on their desktop is a resource hungry fiend, and the six month internet cache and all those startup items could all do with being junked.

It's the way they are.

As it is, i'm looking forward to installing both Vista and 7, mainly beacuse i'd like to offer my feedback from a prosumer point of view.

Also, here's one for you... why does windows have to give a drive a letter? why can't it be like the Mac where it just mounts on the desktop and you just drag it to the bin or click to eject?

[TheBoy]

yes, but it's way better than home basic... go on .... say it...

Its want you want from your computer - some (misguided) people say that Linux is better than everything....

[Martin_1962]

The teachers use Apple laptops at my daughters school - quite a few have XP Pro on them!