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[Seth]

Guys just replaced my 2.2i saloon with a 2.2i estate auto but have noticed i am only getting about 19-21mpg around the town and only 30-31 on a run compared to my saloon this is heavey, what can i do to improve economy has full service history and serviced 3000 miles ago.

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Unfortunately, these figures sound about right.

[Lazydocker]

...... CUT........
Except, as Top Gear Proved, they are only so economical when used around town... Driven hard they are shockingly poor

Oh.... And they look rather awful

Oh... And let's not go into the whole of life arguments!


I know what you mean LD but the Top Gear piece was not really relevant as the car is not designed to be driven in this way, indeed any vehicle so driven will exhibit poor fuel economy.

Yep the shape quirky to say the least but it grows on you. 8-)

The life argument I didn't consider a priority as the notion of being able to stop or reduce climate change by using low emission vehicles is flawed.  The planet will continue to alter its climate whatever we try to do.  I was determined however to try to limit my exposure to the Exchequer, as it seems that stripping the motorist of funds will be the way forward from now on  What we have, in terms of hard earned cash, we should hold

I know what you mean... I was tempted to get one for SWMBO as she only does about 15 miles/day max but they just hold value too well and TBH I don't think it'd be much cheaper than running the little Panda she's getting in a couple of weeks

[crazyjoetavola]

This is an example of how we are going to messed about with.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agqPp0iSPbp4&refer=worldwide

Rest assured that the gutless, incompetent lawmakers on this side of the Atlantic will soon follow suit

[crazyjoetavola]

I know what you mean... I was tempted to get one for SWMBO as she only does about 15 miles/day max but they just hold value too well and TBH I don't think it'd be much cheaper than running the little Panda she's getting in a couple of weeks

You're right enough there LD

The important thing is to keep as much cash from the sticky hands of the Exchequer as possible and the Panda will help you do just that

[Martin_1962]

I would rather they had pushed for economy rather than emmisions, clean emmisions do use more fuel unfortunately (eg lean burn rejected).

I used to own a Carlton I could get well over 30mpg on runs without even trying.

[crazyjoetavola]

Sorry for hijacking the original theme of this thread

[crazyjoetavola]

I would rather they had pushed for economy rather than emmisions, clean emmisions do use more fuel unfortunately (eg lean burn rejected).

I used to own a Carlton I could get well over 30mpg on runs without even trying.

TBH Martin I think they're making it up as they go :-/ :-/

[mkaminski100]

Guys just replaced my 2.2i saloon with a 2.2i estate auto but have noticed i am only getting about 19-21mpg around the town and only 30-31 on a run compared to my saloon this is heavey, what can i do to improve economy has full service history and serviced 3000 miles ago.

have placed this in wrong section can mods move if needed.

I found a noticeable fuel consumption between saloon and estate. I thinks it’s due to extra estate weight and construction (estate back is quite big and flat).
you can go better with petrol consumption, but I think that if it's an auto and any fault symthoms are not obvous, you may spend more trying to find it than extra petrol...

[tunnie]

A Prius is more harmful to the environment than a Range Rover!

All the sulpha needed in the batterys is mined from Canada, its a heavy dirty process using tones of fossil fuels, its then sent to Europe in a big oil powered boat, refined, put on another boat and sent to Japan, the car is built, they then put the car in a boat and ship it back to Europe.

So over the course of a car's life time, if you want to save the environment, get a Range Rover  

Also, no independent garage will touch them, you have to go to a main dealer, for me, that would be a 60 mile round trip, instead of 1/2 mile run into town.

To remove the spark plugs on the Prius you have to REMOVE the engine, from UNDERNEATH the car!

They are also damn expensive, for what they are, horrible little shi!t boxes.

[tmx]

Err the Prius is rubbish on fuel! its only cus it has an electric motor that makes it economical

an M3 is more economical on a motorway run! i can get 20 out of my 3.0V6 and thats thrashing it about everywhere

20mpg i think is preety good considering the way i drive

all hybrid cars  they be banned the way the batterys are made is highly toxic and the fumes are poisionous Diesel is less harmfull to the enviroment and alot more efficiant

[crazyjoetavola]

A Prius is more harmful to the environment than a Range Rover!
All the sulpha needed in the batterys is mined from Canada, its a heavy dirty process using tones of fossil fuels, its then sent to Europe in a big oil powered boat, refined, put on another boat and sent to Japan, the car is built, they then put the car in a boat and ship it back to Europe.

So over the course of a car's life time, if you want to save the environment, get a Range Rover  

Also, no independent garage will touch them, you have to go to a main dealer, for me, that would be a 60 mile round trip, instead of 1/2 mile run into town.

To remove the spark plugs on the Prius you have to REMOVE the engine, from UNDERNEATH the car!

They are also damn expensive, for what they are, horrible little shi!t boxes.

A bit of black propaganda long since de-bunked Tunnie

The plugs can be changed from the top in the normal way with a bit of gubbins removed.

They are expensive but then that's the cost for the degree of technical sophistication which was necessary to develop the car.

I think Toyota did a reasonable job in trying to provide an interim means of powering our cars.

Horrible little shit box might be a bit harsh Tunnie Try one they're ok - really

[crazyjoetavola]

Err the Prius is rubbish on fuel! its only cus it has an electric motor that makes it economical

an M3 is more economical on a motorway run! i can get 20 out of my 3.0V6 and thats thrashing it about everywhere

20mpg i think is preety good considering the way i drive

all hybrid cars  they be banned the way the batterys are made is highly toxic and the fumes are poisionous Diesel is less harmfull to the enviroment and alot more efficiant

That's the whole idea tmx

Take away the particulate filter from diesel cars and you might well have people complain about the heavy elements produced at the roadside

[tmx]

id rather have a Diesel clit than a prius

least the clit has street cred bags more extra power & tourqe and only £35 roadtax more economical too!

i hope the prius suffers from the usual toyota cylinder head gasket problems

[crazyjoetavola]

id rather have a Diesel clit than a prius

least the clit has street cred bags more extra power & tourqe and only £35 roadtax more economical too!

i hope the prius suffers from the usual toyota cylinder head gasket problems

That's OK tmx I'm sure the clit is a good enough car and I wouldn't think the less of you were you to drive one

To wish mechanical failure on any car however is a bit unfair

[tunnie]

put the prius on the M1 at 85, then lets see how economical it is.

Fact still remains it has a massive carbon offset used to build the damn things, its much more environmentally friendly to build normal cars.

Hybrid drive is not the way to go.

I will keep my big fat saloon for a long time yet, the massive cost is just not worth it, buy a 1.2 Corsa, it will be just as economical, cheaper to maintain, and about 1/4 of the cost to buy!