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mantahatch

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A free country
« on: 28 May 2009, 12:37:09 »

And I thought we where supposed to be a free country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/whos_watching_you/8064333.stm
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KillerWatt

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Re: A free country
« Reply #1 on: 28 May 2009, 12:47:03 »

I know exactly how Mr Catt feels, our last car had a "marker" on it due to the previous owner and it used to cause no end of grief.

Initially I thought that common sense would prevail and the marker would be removed when it became apparent the new owners (us) were 100% legal & above board, how wrong I was on that one  >:(
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: A free country
« Reply #2 on: 28 May 2009, 13:30:37 »

they must be using a complicated character recognition algorithm..but still not sure what will be the failure rate for cars passing with high speeds and changing lanes.. and in a crowded manner it will be harder to read all..
« Last Edit: 28 May 2009, 13:38:35 by cem_devecioglu »
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cem_devecioglu

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« Reply #3 on: 28 May 2009, 13:35:51 »

and in addition there will be a long queue of data coming from thousands of cameras sending millions of license plates within an hour or so..

if this was a simple text or numeric data its ok..

but graphical inputs need to be rendered and how quick can it be ..


I dont think this system will work flawlessly..
« Last Edit: 28 May 2009, 13:37:39 by cem_devecioglu »
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Re: A free country
« Reply #4 on: 28 May 2009, 14:45:37 »

dont forget that there is still that idea they have of charging motorists by the mile, & what better way to have it ready than have these scanner things in place >:( >:(
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crazyjoetavola

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« Reply #5 on: 28 May 2009, 16:52:03 »

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And I thought we where supposed to be a free country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/whos_watching_you/8064333.stm



In relative terms it is manta - but won't be for much longer if this trend continues.

Technology is a very important factor in law inforcement, especially in today's world.  That essential aid can be descredited however by inapproptiate use.

 
It also has the unfortunate drawback of making those who are required to use it become less willing to entertain other means of achieving their goals as it's simpler, and ultimately cheaper, to sit on ones' arse looking at a screen and pressing keys rather than hone the skills necessary for effective law inforcement by being out on the ground learning ones' trade.

It is a sad fact that such technology is now being rendered as a revenue gathering tool and as such, the political desire to promote its unbridled use, seems to be gathering pace. :y

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Re: A free country
« Reply #6 on: 28 May 2009, 18:43:57 »

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear of ANPR.

It's a good tool in the detection of criminality.
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« Reply #7 on: 28 May 2009, 19:41:52 »

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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear of ANPR.

It's a good tool in the detection of criminality.

Very true James -- but I see Zulu's point --- policing is becoming faceless and the police are simply becoming "enforcers", and losing a lot of respect because of it.

I realise times are a'changing, but not all for the good. However, modern technology marches on, soulless and faceless.

Funny -- I mourned the loss of the whistle and chain and my old wooden baton, little did I  know the Force would become practically para-military (slightly off topic - sorry).
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albitz

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Re: A free country
« Reply #8 on: 28 May 2009, 19:54:36 »

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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear of ANPR.

It's a good tool in the detection of criminality.
A mantra which is a tad over simplistic imo,it relies on those in authority being trustworthy enough to use it for purely honest purposes and every day we see just how untrustworthy some of them are.All these technoligies can be and increasingly are being used for purposes which are not in keeping with the traditional British  free way of life. :(
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« Reply #9 on: 28 May 2009, 20:13:18 »

intention..  very important word..

if the intention is to catch criminals, no need for all those investment , police force can already spot the listed vehicles used for crime..

but if you are curious about your citizens life and travel habits, sooner or later will be usefull..

but something more practical is to insert a transmitter in our arse and follow us every minute ;D
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« Reply #10 on: 28 May 2009, 20:16:55 »

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intention..  very important word..

if the intention is to catch criminals, no need for all those investment , police force can already spot the listed vehicles used for crime..

but if you are curious about your citizens life and travel habits, sooner or later will be usefull..

but something more practical is to insert a transmitter in our arse and follow us every minute ;D[/quote]
soon,Cem soon. ;D :y.......the UK is the most watched country in the world (cctv etc)and has one of the worst serious crime rates in the western world,something doesnt add up. ;)
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cem_devecioglu

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« Reply #11 on: 28 May 2009, 20:23:54 »

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intention..  very important word..

if the intention is to catch criminals, no need for all those investment , police force can already spot the listed vehicles used for crime..

but if you are curious about your citizens life and travel habits, sooner or later will be usefull..

but something more practical is to insert a transmitter in our arse and follow us every minute ;D[/quote]
soon,Cem soon. ;D :y.......the UK is the most watched country in the world (cctv etc)and has one of the worst serious crime rates in the western world,something doesnt add up. ;)

trust me there in UK even the worst crime rate areas are a picnic walk compared to some places in my country :-[

you need military force to visit there..
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Re: A free country
« Reply #12 on: 28 May 2009, 20:27:49 »

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Funny -- I mourned the loss of the whistle and chain and my old wooden baton, little did I  know the Force would become practically para-military (slightly off topic - sorry).

My tutor still has one of the old wooden baton's in his locker - says he'd rather carry it than the extendable ASP, given his way...

Whistles and chains - sadly - are now only issued for ceremonial reasons....  :'(
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crazyjoetavola

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Re: A free country
« Reply #13 on: 28 May 2009, 22:04:30 »

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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear of ANPR.

It's a good tool in the detection of criminality.

Very true James -- but I see Zulu's point --- policing is becoming faceless and the police are simply becoming "enforcers", and losing a lot of respect because of it.

I realise times are a'changing, but not all for the good. However, modern technology marches on, soulless and faceless.

Funny -- I mourned the loss of the whistle and chain and my old wooden baton, little did I  know the Force would become practically para-military (slightly off topic - sorry).




Funny -- I mourned the loss of the whistle and chain and my old wooden baton, little did I  know the Force would become practically para-military

.........Aaaah HC,  those were the days of honest policing, when uniforms needed an encyclopedic local knowledge or they felt the wrath of the section sergeant and when prospective jacks had to enhance that knowledge before they were able to join the exotic ranks of crime ordinary.

A time when coppers were coppers because they not only knew their stuff but also because they did their job with honour and integrity - they also had the luxury of being free from quotas and the dreadful interference from career minded and politically aware middle/senior management.  As a result they were able to perform their role, on the streets where they belonged, with efficiency and effect.

A job essential for the stability of the community all but destroyed for the sake of political expediency.
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crazyjoetavola

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« Reply #14 on: 28 May 2009, 22:12:14 »

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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear of ANPR.

It's a good tool in the detection of criminality.



If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear of ANPR.

.........providing it's used for the purpose it's intended James. :y  Let me assure you that the prolific installation of such devices is the first step to state monitoring of individual movements which will go far beyond the professed intention - the detection of minor motoring offences. ;) ;)
« Last Edit: 28 May 2009, 22:12:56 by crazyjoetavola »
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