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crazyjoetavola

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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #30 on: 11 July 2009, 12:21:49 »

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The debate on global warming is like the flat earth debate. All those who said it wasn't were persecuted and kept quiet, the church controlloed the way people thought. They put fear into people of going to hell but they could be saved by making a donation called indulgences, there souls wil be saved then. This is very similer to the scam of man made global warming, fear will cause people to pay up.

I go to Britian alot, and the media are extremely biased in comparison to here, you are constantly bombarded with messages of doom brought on by man made global warming, but I bet you didn't hear about the speach by Al Gore to school children that was very similar to the Hitler youth.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtdVoZygf4w&feature=fvw[/media]

As Al Pachino says in Glen Gary Glen Ross, "I subscribe to the law of contrary public opinion. If everyone thinks one thing, then I say bet the other way."

.........any presentation from Fox News Ron needs to be heard with a degree of caution especially if it trips from the tongue of Glenn Beck, the presenter pictured above.

Overall, their editorial content is anything but fair and balanced - my comments do not impinge however on the obvious danger that Gore the Bore possesses to keep trotting out his own very biased message in an effort to ram it down the throats of those he considers to be in need of help and conversion.

Indeed Zulu, all news reports must be called into question. :y But the only news reports that I could find on Al Gores speech were by Fox news, which I dont think is a good thing :(


.......a fair point Ron, I was being a bit bitchy about Fox, it sometimes takes such an outlet to expose the likes of Gore - still can't warm to them all the same ( except Greta van Susteren mmmmmmmmm )
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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #31 on: 11 July 2009, 12:27:19 »

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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml

Ahhh. Music to my ears.   :) :) :)

I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview.  :y :y


i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things  ;)

he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not

i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win  ::)



.........I consider that remark to be an unwelcome slap in the face if I may say so bannjaxx :( :(


i'm just stumbling around trodding on everyones toes this morning Zulu!! - of course i mean no offence to those lovable Toyota Prius owners  :y

but it is a band aid for a broken leg i'm afraid



oh and totally agree with you re: Fox News (Weasel News as it's known in our house) very funny/very scary - that guy, Beck, takes the biscuit - i've seen him burst into tears giving his opinion - hilarious - pass the popcorn!!
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crazyjoetavola

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« Reply #32 on: 11 July 2009, 13:17:12 »

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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml

Ahhh. Music to my ears.   :) :) :)

I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview.  :y :y


i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things  ;)

he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not

i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win  ::)



.........I consider that remark to be an unwelcome slap in the face if I may say so bannjaxx :( :(


i'm just stumbling around trodding on everyones toes this morning Zulu!! - of course i mean no offence to those lovable Toyota Prius owners  :y
but it is a band aid for a broken leg i'm afraid



oh and totally agree with you re: Fox News (Weasel News as it's known in our house) very funny/very scary - that guy, Beck, takes the biscuit - i've seen him burst into tears giving his opinion - hilarious - pass the popcorn!!


 ;D ;D ;D was messing with you bannjaxx ;D ;D ;D - I always find your views to have great credibility and am pleased to share many of them with you :y :y
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« Reply #33 on: 11 July 2009, 14:34:15 »

Within this debate on the sources of the various environmental arguments, and particularly on the issue of global warning, let us not forget that what these sayers and purveyors of doom or enlightenment think, it will be the key politicians of the world who will make the final decisions.

A lot of individuals, who lack the necessary scientific knowledge and evidence to back up their arguments, are cashing in on this debate for their hour of fame, and income, but no doubt will be ignored by the politicians and / or their advisers.

The politicians, who are not scientifically trained, are obtaining advise from the general scientific community, but are also balancing the needs of their nation with the controversial requirements of the environmental argument put forward by those said "experts".  Jobs and the economy keep or lose the votes that keep politicians in power, so you can almost guarantee whatever is advised our esteemed leaders will not commit political suicide over environmental issues.  Although, rightly, we are cynical about their motives, the political leaders will endeavour to satisfy the citizens of their home country, and no more so than Gordon Brown who faces a General Election within the next eleven months.

What I am saying is simple; it IS the political leaders who are critical in all this, NOT whoever has published this, that or another! Therefore, if as individuals you feel strongly enough about this argument, on one side or the other, then start lobbying your MP's NOW, regardless of their parties colour.  Express your feelings to them, along with writing to the Prime Minister himself, and let them all know how exactly you feel about this and how you will vote if they follow a road contrary to your beliefs. This is a time for strong democracy, so do not say "my voice does not matter", because it does , unless of course you keep quiet and timid!!  After that you can do no more.

Never forget either that although Great Britain has still a significant voice in the world, the environmental debate will finally be settled by the political leaders of the major G8 industrial states. Therefore, forget what the media impart to us in Britain, it will not form any part of the final solution, it is how all the G8 leaders act that is crucial, and so we all across the world must continually remind them that they act on our behalf.  They will however be influenced by the NGOs of this world, and their aligned "experts".  That IS the danger area for us all, so do not forget them in your lobbying (and actions?). Let them know, WE the people exist, and they have no automatic right to speak for us!

The rest is over to you, and not the likes of Gore, professors, or any demigods! ;) ;) ;)   


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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #34 on: 11 July 2009, 14:35:52 »

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...is the title of a new book by Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, in which he shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml

Ahhh. Music to my ears.   :) :) :)

I strongly recommend reading all six short pages of this interview.  :y :y


i look forward to reading the book Nickbat - interesting guy - personally I do believe that we've already screwed the planet way past the point where we can sort it, all the "green-initiatives" "carbon-friendly" co2 reducing legislation doesn't go nearly far enough - he's right about a couple of things tho, the west feel guilt and need to abate it by recycling and driving around in a Pious - ain't gonna amount to a hill of beans in the scheme of things  ;)

he's also correct about the polar ice caps - look back through the life of the earth and for nearly all of its history there was no ice at the poles, you only get ice in an ice age - of which we are currently in - believe it or not

i love these climate-change deniers - they're almost as much fun as the greenies - either way we don't, as a race really give a damn about the environment - basically we're obsessed by the movement of small green pieces of paper, and all our grand schemes and ideas are based on this pursuit - whichever side you can make the most money out of will win  ::)



.........I consider that remark to be an unwelcome slap in the face if I may say so bannjaxx :( :(


i'm just stumbling around trodding on everyones toes this morning Zulu!! - of course i mean no offence to those lovable Toyota Prius owners  :y
but it is a band aid for a broken leg i'm afraid



oh and totally agree with you re: Fox News (Weasel News as it's known in our house) very funny/very scary - that guy, Beck, takes the biscuit - i've seen him burst into tears giving his opinion - hilarious - pass the popcorn!!


 ;D ;D ;D was messing with you bannjaxx ;D ;D ;D - I always find your views to have great credibility and am pleased to share many of them with you :y :y


 ;D ;D ;D

it's ok - i'm fairly thick-skinned - you didnt hurt my feelings "taking offence" m8  :y
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crazyjoetavola

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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #35 on: 11 July 2009, 14:42:26 »

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Within this debate on the sources of the various environmental arguments, and particularly on the issue of global warning, let us not forget that what these sayers and purveyors of doom or enlightenment think, it will be the key politicians of the world who will make the final decisions.

A lot of individuals, who lack the necessary scientific knowledge and evidence to back up their arguments, are cashing in on this debate for their hour of fame, and income, but no doubt will be ignored by the politicians and / or their advisers.

The politicians, who are not scientifically trained, are obtaining advise from the general scientific community, but are also balancing the needs of their nation with the controversial requirements of the environmental argument put forward by those said "experts".  Jobs and the economy keep or lose the votes that keep politicians in power, so you can almost guarantee whatever is advised our esteemed leaders will not commit political suicide over environmental issues.  Although, rightly, we are cynical about their motives, the political leaders will endeavour to satisfy the citizens of their home country, and no more so than Gordon Brown who faces a General Election within the next eleven months.

What I am saying is simple; it IS the political leaders who are critical in all this, NOT whoever has published this, that or another! Therefore, if as individuals you feel strongly enough about this argument, on one side or the other, then start lobbying your MP's NOW, regardless of their parties colour.  Express your feelings to them, along with writing to the Prime Minister himself, and let them all know how exactly you feel about this and how you will vote if they follow a road contrary to your beliefs. This is a time for strong democracy, so do not say "my voice does not matter", because it does , unless of course you keep quiet and timid!!  After that you can do no more.

Never forget either that although Great Britain has still a significant voice in the world, the environmental debate will finally be settled by the political leaders of the major G8 industrial states. Therefore, forget what the media impart to us in Britain, it will not form any part of the final solution, it is how all the G8 leaders act that is crucial, and so we all across the world must continually remind them that they act on our behalf.  They will however be influenced by the NGOs of this world, and their aligned "experts".  That IS the danger area for us all, so do not forget them in your lobbying (and actions?). Let them know, WE the people exist, and they have no automatic right to speak for us!

The rest is over to you, and not the likes of Gore, professors, or any demigods! ;) ;) ;)   




......I'll buy into that, Ms Zoom :y :y
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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #36 on: 11 July 2009, 14:44:30 »

I think this is a rather neat way of showing how much human-emitted CO2 is contributed to the atmosphere:

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/gaias-demise/

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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #37 on: 11 July 2009, 14:51:49 »

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Within this debate on the sources of the various environmental arguments, and particularly on the issue of global warning, let us not forget that what these sayers and purveyors of doom or enlightenment think, it will be the key politicians of the world who will make the final decisions.

A lot of individuals, who lack the necessary scientific knowledge and evidence to back up their arguments, are cashing in on this debate for their hour of fame, and income, but no doubt will be ignored by the politicians and / or their advisers.

The politicians, who are not scientifically trained, are obtaining advise from the general scientific community, but are also balancing the needs of their nation with the controversial requirements of the environmental argument put forward by those said "experts".  Jobs and the economy keep or lose the votes that keep politicians in power, so you can almost guarantee whatever is advised our esteemed leaders will not commit political suicide over environmental issues.  Although, rightly, we are cynical about their motives, the political leaders will endeavour to satisfy the citizens of their home country, and no more so than Gordon Brown who faces a General Election within the next eleven months.

What I am saying is simple; it IS the political leaders who are critical in all this, NOT whoever has published this, that or another! Therefore, if as individuals you feel strongly enough about this argument, on one side or the other, then start lobbying your MP's NOW, regardless of their parties colour.  Express your feelings to them, along with writing to the Prime Minister himself, and let them all know how exactly you feel about this and how you will vote if they follow a road contrary to your beliefs. This is a time for strong democracy, so do not say "my voice does not matter", because it does , unless of course you keep quiet and timid!!  After that you can do no more.

Never forget either that although Great Britain has still a significant voice in the world, the environmental debate will finally be settled by the political leaders of the major G8 industrial states. Therefore, forget what the media impart to us in Britain, it will not form any part of the final solution, it is how all the G8 leaders act that is crucial, and so we all across the world must continually remind them that they act on our behalf.  They will however be influenced by the NGOs of this world, and their aligned "experts".  That IS the danger area for us all, so do not forget them in your lobbying (and actions?). Let them know, WE the people exist, and they have no automatic right to speak for us!

The rest is over to you, and not the likes of Gore, professors, or any demigods! ;) ;) ;)   



In a word, 'Bilderberg'.

Does that ring any bells with anyone? Try Wikipedia  ;)
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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #38 on: 11 July 2009, 14:54:46 »

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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #39 on: 11 July 2009, 15:06:18 »

I have opened up another thread on the subject of sending a Petition to No.10.  Those who feel strongly enough, or purely want their voice heard, about this crucial political issue then feel free to contribute please ;) ;) ;) ;)
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« Reply #40 on: 11 July 2009, 15:14:01 »

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I have opened up another thread on the subject of sending a Petition to No.10.  Those who feel strongly enough, or purely want their voice heard, about this crucial political issue then feel free to contribute please ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Sorry to pour cold water on this Lizzie, but petitions are an absolute waste of time. Mind you, maybe not for the government as they will then have your email address.
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« Reply #41 on: 11 July 2009, 15:14:46 »

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..or read this from the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/charlie-skeltons-bilderberg-files



..and while we're on about the people in power, have a read of this:

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

 :o :o :o :o
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crazyjoetavola

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Re: Heaven and Earth...
« Reply #42 on: 11 July 2009, 15:39:17 »

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I have opened up another thread on the subject of sending a Petition to No.10.  Those who feel strongly enough, or purely want their voice heard, about this crucial political issue then feel free to contribute please ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Sorry to pour cold water on this Lizzie, but petitions are an absolute waste of time. Mind you, maybe not for the government as they will then have your email address.


....and of most who use that means as a form of communication Nick.

Throw in a few algorithms for word association, construction and number of hits on key words and phrases there's no doubt that many addresses have already been noted.

All electronic correspondence is open to examination if deemed necessary, even those on forums such as this, a sad fact - but one none the less.

For those of us who have supped at the bowl of covert examination, the gathering and collation of intelligence was, and remains, the lifeblood of the system by which the state ensures its survival.

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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #43 on: 11 July 2009, 16:20:23 »

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I have opened up another thread on the subject of sending a Petition to No.10.  Those who feel strongly enough, or purely want their voice heard, about this crucial political issue then feel free to contribute please ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Sorry to pour cold water on this Lizzie, but petitions are an absolute waste of time. Mind you, maybe not for the government as they will then have your email address.

They have already, but I am prepared to stick my head above the parapet for what I believe. 8-) 8-)  Are you? :-/ :-/
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