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[albitz]

We could of course ask what is fair or socially aware about one part of the UK not having to pay prescription charges or university fees for their kids while another does.A different conversation possibly,but I firmly believe that the UK should have one (westminster) government,or Scotland/Wales/N.I should be given total independence.Everyone is having their cake and eating it at the moment and it has until recently been funded in no small part by the taxes paid by the greedy banking industry in London that we all love to stick the boot into these days.

[albitz]

There are now clear signs that the rats are starting to run from the sinking Labour Government ship whilst recognising the hopelessness of their cause.

Yesterday John Prescott was quoted talking about Labour's "defeatism" and lack of drive at the top of the Party, today we have Alistair Darling coming out and saying that
Labour must come out fighting and doing more to regain lost voters after Charles Clarke openly warned of a "hammering at the polls", calling for Brown to step down. Lord Mandelson is being quoted this morning as stating he would work for the Tories (heaven forbid!!) 

Along with many "other Labour MPs" reportedly talking of a massive defeat at the General Election, it appears to me the MP's of Labour are planning their politcal alignments for after the inevitable, and starting to jump from the sinking ship!

Lizzie...........
I believe that David Cameron and his excellent team will become the next government.
Not since 1979.......with the wonderful Mrs T.........have we had such an accomplished team
From 1979-1997.......Mrs Thatcher ..........followed by the superb John Major .....turned Britain from the "sick man of Europe"..........into a Utopian society........for everybody......both rich and poor

If memory serves .........in the eighties .....Mrs Thatcher......almost single -handedly......eradicated...........poverty........unemployment.........sickness......and THE worst disease of all time........SOCIALISM.....(I can  barely bring myself to say such a word)
It is a disgrace that the ungrateful British people....elected a Labour government in 1997......Shame on them
In summary Lizzie..........like a cathartic experience...........I have seen the light .....and so shall be voting CONSERVATIVE.......at the next general election.

Hurrah Optimist!!

You are a man of fine taste sir, and obviously appreciate the importance of history in deciding for the future! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

 

I will not be such a sardonic/ sarcastic bastard ........ever again.....if it backfires on me like this.

I rather hoped you were being... otherwise I was gong to ask you if you were around in the 80?'s  Remember the interests rates in 1985 and that grab what you can, to hell with anyone else attitude, and then there were the yuppies Think the serving Police officers in 1984 loved her though, they all bought nice houses on the back of the miner' strike, that would be the strike to keep the mines open that the government were not going to close, bet they wish they were still up and running.
 I don't really do politics and  do not like GB, I did not vote for him, so what options are there? everyone seems to blame the government for the recession, but was it not bankers and would they not generally be conservatives of the to hell with anyone else brigade

Time LZ and Debs took up office.....

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Sorry Vamps, cant agree with that.There are hundreds of thousands of people who work in banking  in london (or there were) and having met quite a few I would say they are as diverse a group of people as any other similar sized group of people would be.
They dont all wear red braces /worship gordon gecko/vote tory any more than everyone oop North keeps whippets and pigeons and drink only best bitter while wearing a flat cap.
I know off one fairly senior banker who spends at least a couple of evenings every week,working as an addiction counsellor and takes his holidays at a Buddhist retreat. 

[albitz]

Getting back to the original point about Labour sinking,well a week is a long time in politics,but they are as low in the polls as when Michael Foot was leader and its hard to see how they can come back from that.The only chance they have got imo is to replace Gormless- quickly.
If they are too dim to realise that then they deserve the kicking the electorate are soon going to give them.It looks like the only idea he has to win the hearts and minds of the public is to announce in every newspaper and TV station that he is going to give the bankers a good kicking.
I seriously doubt that he is stupid enough to go through with it,he is probably playing to the gallery,but if he is serious dont even hope for another economic boom any decade soon,because there isnt another industry left in the UK which could fuel it.There will be an exodus to New York/Tokyo/Moscow and other locations.And the treasury would lose countless billions on a permanent basis.The ultimate example of cutting off your nose to spite your face imo.
Its rather like Angela Merkel banning Bmw and Mercedes from building anything bigger than a 3 series or a c- class as its wrong for people to be paid enough money to buy cars which are more expensive.

[Dishevelled Den]

well you tories down south, just be careful what you wish for 

i think we'll be safe with the Scottish Nats for the time being, certainly the Tories won't make a dent north of the border (thankfully)  8-)

all of you who believe in a fair-minded, socially aware society are welcome up here

....... good old bj, always up for a laugh 8-)

[Dishevelled Den]

Getting back to the original point about Labour sinking,well a week is a long time in politics,but they are as low in the polls as when Michael Foot was leader and its hard to see how they can come back from that.The only chance they have got imo is to replace Gormless- quickly.
If they are too dim to realise that then they deserve the kicking the electorate are soon going to give them.It looks like the only idea he has to win the hearts and minds of the public is to announce in every newspaper and TV station that he is going to give the bankers a good kicking.
I seriously doubt that he is stupid enough to go through with it,he is probably playing to the gallery,but if he is serious dont even hope for another economic boom any decade soon,because there isnt another industry left in the UK which could fuel it.There will be an exodus to New York/Tokyo/Moscow and other locations.And the treasury would lose countless billions on a permanent basis.The ultimate example of cutting off your nose to spite your face imo.
Its rather like Angela Merkel banning Bmw and Mercedes from building anything bigger than a 3 series or a c- class as its wrong for people to be paid enough money to buy cars which are more expensive.

...you've said it brother - a very long time