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[tunnie]

don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat?  :-/

"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. 

The public has no say what so ever in these matters, be it europe bull or current policys, every goverment just does what it wants when its in, no matter who is in. They are all the same, so i (personally) am not really interested in these European policys or climate 'dangle berries'. There is still no real evidence that humans are affecting this climate, and thats its just not natural warming.

So i just get on doing the things i want to do, earning best money i can, and doing things i want to do 

..and should that become impossible because of these policies, what then?

Yeah like they are going to stop be playing xbox and going to the alps 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Dont EVER under estimate what they could do.

Interesting as I often listen to 80's music on a friday evening with a beer (or 2)....and the song playing as I read this thread:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6FDvH0b7II[/media]

Seems so very ........er appropriate....or not in the case of politicians

[Nickbat]

don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat?  :-/

"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. 

The public has no say what so ever in these matters, be it europe bull or current policys, every goverment just does what it wants when its in, no matter who is in. They are all the same, so i (personally) am not really interested in these European policys or climate 'dangle berries'. There is still no real evidence that humans are affecting this climate, and thats its just not natural warming.

So i just get on doing the things i want to do, earning best money i can, and doing things i want to do 

..and should that become impossible because of these policies, what then?

Yeah like they are going to stop be playing xbox and going to the alps 

1. Extended power cuts due to cutbacks in new grid capacity (many of our power stations must be decommissioned shortly due to EU regulations and new stations are being hindered by green objections, e.g Kingsnorth).

2. Punitive taxation on air travel to meet carbon reduction targets.

3. Reduced income, if not unemployment, due to high taxation, low GDP, high food and energy inflation - i.e. an economic depression.

All are feasible.    

[tunnie]

don't you get tired of posting all this stuff Nickbat?  :-/

"this stuff", as you put it, will affect the lives of each and every one of us in the UK. If you don't want me to post about this subject, just say so. 

The public has no say what so ever in these matters, be it europe bull or current policys, every goverment just does what it wants when its in, no matter who is in. They are all the same, so i (personally) am not really interested in these European policys or climate 'dangle berries'. There is still no real evidence that humans are affecting this climate, and thats its just not natural warming.

So i just get on doing the things i want to do, earning best money i can, and doing things i want to do 

..and should that become impossible because of these policies, what then?

Yeah like they are going to stop be playing xbox and going to the alps 

1. Extended power cuts due to cutbacks in new grid capacity (many of our power stations must be decommissioned shortly due to EU regulations and new stations are being hindered by green objections, e.g Kingsnorth).

2. Punitive taxation on air travel to meet carbon reduction targets.

3. Reduced income, if not unemployment, due to high taxation, low GDP, high food and energy inflation - i.e. an economic depression.

All are feasible.    

1. Not had a power cut in over a decade, other sources of power will be found even if brought from over the water (be it at a higher cost)

2. Who said anything about flying???

3. The media have hyped this depression out of proportion, i have doubled my basic income in the last 2 years, and in this 'depression' had 3 job offers.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?

[tunnie]

Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?

We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?

We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.

A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).

Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station

[tunnie]

Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?

We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.

A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).

Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station

According to Association of Electricy producers: In 2004 the UK imported 9,784 GWh (guessing thats including Ireland as well as France)

Sure that's more than a single station? Remember seeing the control of power, and how we had to increase supply massively from France during add breaks due to all the kettles being switched on 

[Entwood]

Large amounts of gas now come from the continent (actually Russia) and boy do we pay for it ....

If we get ourselves dependant on others for electricity as well we might as well give up any idea of independance and prosperity at all... we will be screwed even more than we are now ..

[Marks DTM Calib]

Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?

We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.

A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).

Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station

According to Association of Electricy producers: In 2004 the UK imported 9,784 GWh (guessing thats including Ireland as well as France)

Sure that's more than a single station? Remember seeing the control of power, and how we had to increase supply massively from France during add breaks due to all the kettles being switched on 

No.....forgeting your science me thinks.....that would equate to approx 1.1GW.......Drax for instance generates 3.9GW which would equate to 34164 GWh (if it ran flat out for 1 year which clearly it cant)....or approx 7% of uk needs

[tunnie]

Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?

We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.

A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).

Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station

According to Association of Electricy producers: In 2004 the UK imported 9,784 GWh (guessing thats including Ireland as well as France)

Sure that's more than a single station? Remember seeing the control of power, and how we had to increase supply massively from France during add breaks due to all the kettles being switched on 

No.....forgeting your science me thinks.....that would equate to approx 1.1GW.......Drax for instance generates 3.9GW which would equate to 34164 GWh (if it ran flat out for 1 ear which clearly it cant)....or approx 7% of uk needs

Ok fair enough, but we do have the means to bring power from Europe, as mentioned we also bring Gas in too. We should be able to ramp up the power we bring in, while the paperwork is filled for our replacements?

[Marks DTM Calib]

And just to annoy the greenies, we would need around 160000 large wind turbines to meet uk needs.....however on nice sunny days, the lights would go off!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Tunnie, how EXACTLY are we going to bring power in from over seas?

We already do, huge chunks of our power already comes from France.

A project I have worked on.....not a huge chunk, 2GW to be exact......and in the last 24hours uk consumption peaked at 56GW.....and we are using 15% less due to the recession (heavy engineering is has scaled back hugely).

Cross channel delivers less than a large coal fired station

According to Association of Electricy producers: In 2004 the UK imported 9,784 GWh (guessing thats including Ireland as well as France)

Sure that's more than a single station? Remember seeing the control of power, and how we had to increase supply massively from France during add breaks due to all the kettles being switched on 

No.....forgeting your science me thinks.....that would equate to approx 1.1GW.......Drax for instance generates 3.9GW which would equate to 34164 GWh (if it ran flat out for 1 ear which clearly it cant)....or approx 7% of uk needs

Ok fair enough, but we do have the means to bring power from Europe, as mentioned we also bring Gas in too. We should be able to ramp up the power we bring in, while the paperwork is filled for our replacements?

Power transmission on that scale is very costly to setup and takes a long while to develop and get going.

I know that the original cross channel that was bult in the mid 80's cost circa 2billion quid......and was around a 3 year project.

[tunnie]

And just to annoy the greenies, we would need around 160000 large wind turbines to meet uk needs.....however on nice sunny days, the lights would go off!

What about those snake water things which failed in the 80's (not due to the tech but some other personal issue iiic)

I remember seeing a more moden version last year, looked impressive.

They sat in the water and the natural movement of the waves generated a constant supply, although we could need quite a few of them 

As for Wind farms, stick them up in Scotland 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ow yes, the convertor sites are huge to......DC links are not simple little things to make sadly