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[STMO999]

I have studied the Death Penalty since I was in school,  and I can tell you a lot, and I mean a lot. It does not solve anything and it is just THE STATES REVENGE.
Ask yourselves this question, how many people do you think America executed l;ast year?
Also,. the papers say that guy in China was executed by lethal injection, I can guarantee that he was actually executed by a 9mm pistol, hence the reason they would not let his body be repatriated
Any questions you want on this subject them forward them to me,

I dont see 9mm pistol as cruel or barbaric. It's quick.

[splott]

I have studied the Death Penalty since I was in school,  and I can tell you a lot, and I mean a lot. It does not solve anything and it is just THE STATES REVENGE.
Ask yourselves this question, how many people do you think America executed l;ast year?
Also,. the papers say that guy in China was executed by lethal injection, I can guarantee that he was actually executed by a 9mm pistol, hence the reason they would not let his body be repatriated
Any questions you want on this subject them forward them to me,

I dont see 9mm pistol as cruel or barbaric. It's quick.

What thought did the murderer give to his victim?

[Stevie-blunder]

I have studied the Death Penalty since I was in school,  and I can tell you a lot, and I mean a lot. It does not solve anything and it is just THE STATES REVENGE.
Ask yourselves this question, how many people do you think America executed l;ast year?
Also,. the papers say that guy in China was executed by lethal injection, I can guarantee that he was actually executed by a 9mm pistol, hence the reason they would not let his body be repatriated
Any questions you want on this subject them forward them to me,

That is a "lethal injection", a lead bullet injection  And, yes, the death penalty should be back in  as with corporal punishment, most of the idiots around are cowardly imbeciles anyway, they would think twice then 

[Richie London]

well 2 mates have been inside in the last couple of years.

1. when i went to see him after his 2nd week inside he was depressed, 2 weeks later he had cheered up, playing badmington, pool, nice meals 6 months later he was full of beans, loved it in there said how healthy he felt, had lost weight and has since been in 3 times since. and has no worries of going in again.

2. other mate did 2 years, said it was ok apart from the odd nutter in there, he also lost weight and had a healthy lifestyle in there. hes been out about 2 years,still doing the crime he did when he went in but he alos got a trade in there. hes now a corgi registered gas fitter for the gas board and is now a supervisor earning good money and has his own flat.

prison should be punishment, rehabilitaion does not work, prison is not a deterent but nothing more than a holiday for those who get caught. there should not be parole,a sentance should be what it states. life should mean life. anyone can behave inside just for remission, places like china send out a very strong message to people and i beleive that it is the right way to go, you commit a crime you lose your rights to freedom or possibly your life dependant on the crime you have commited and i would support it under certain circumstances.

[splott]

well 2 mates have been inside in the last couple of years.

1. when i went to see him after his 2nd week inside he was depressed, 2 weeks later he had cheered up, playing badmington, pool, nice meals 6 months later he was full of beans, loved it in there said how healthy he felt, had lost weight and has since been in 3 times since. and has no worries of going in again.

2. other mate did 2 years, said it was ok apart from the odd nutter in there, he also lost weight and had a healthy lifestyle in there. hes been out about 2 years,still doing the crime he did when he went in but he alos got a trade in there. hes now a corgi registered gas fitter for the gas board and is now a supervisor earning good money and has his own flat.

prison should be punishment, rehabilitaion does not work, prison is not a deterent but nothing more than a holiday for those who get caught. there should not be parole,a sentance should be what it states. life should mean life. anyone can behave inside just for remission, places like china send out a very strong message to people and i beleive that it is the right way to go, you commit a crime you lose your rights to freedom or possibly your life dependant on the crime you have commited and i would support it under certain circumstances.

Your 100 percent right!!!!

[Mr Skrunts]

I have studied the Death Penalty since I was in school,  and I can tell you a lot, and I mean a lot. It does not solve anything and it is just THE STATES REVENGE.
Ask yourselves this question, how many people do you think America executed l;ast year?
Also,. the papers say that guy in China was executed by lethal injection, I can guarantee that he was actually executed by a 9mm pistol, hence the reason they would not let his body be repatriated
Any questions you want on this subject them forward them to me,

That is a "lethal injection", a lead bullet injection  And, yes, the death penalty should be back in  as with corporal punishment, most of the idiots around are cowardly imbeciles anyway, they would think twice then 

Stupid as this country is, H&S would outlaw that due to the fact it's lead.   

[Dishevelled Den]

I'm afraid that capital punishment by way of judicial ruling doesn’t solve much

There is little deterrent effect to those who kill in the heat of the moment as they will generally will do so whether there is a lawful deterrent in force or not. These crimes are usually committed whilst the offender is entirely focussed on committing the act and not rationalising what the consequences of that act might be.

Those who choose to kill in a premeditated fashion will, in the majority of cases, do so whether or not there are sanctions in place as they have, for the most part, considered the possible punishment during their premeditations and work on the premise that they will not be apprehended.


The only thing that capital punishment provides for in my view – following due judicial process – is a state of ‘closure’ for the relatives of the victims.  To suggest that it would also save the state the expense of imprisonment for the offender would perhaps be crass.

The notion that if one person takes the life of another, with the intention of purposefully ending that persons life, that offender should lose their right to life, is another question entirely and one that perhaps provides traction to the desire for some to have, rightly or wrongly, ‘an eye for an eye’ 

[jereboam]

I don't have any fancy argument about deterrent effect or punishment or justice or debt to society.

I just don't want anyone taking anyone else's life in my name, and that's exactly what capital punishment is.

We've grown out of it, I'm glad to say, let's not take a giant step backwards.

[STMO999]

My thinking was/is: If we push really hard to have capital punishment reinstated, then it may have the desirable effect of making the powers that be realise just how apalled we are at the punishment being meted out at present. They might, by way of a compromise, toughen up on sentencing and change the 'holiday camp' atmosphere in most prisons.
The prison service always gets the thin end of the wedge when it comes to budgetting. Privatisation is a joke, there is no sense of duty when you are not qualified and are on the miniimum wage.

[splott]

I'm afraid that capital punishment by way of judicial ruling doesn’t solve much

There is little deterrent effect to those who kill in the heat of the moment as they will generally will do so whether there is a lawful deterrent in force or not. These crimes are usually committed whilst the offender is entirely focussed on committing the act and not rationalising what the consequences of that act might be.

Those who choose to kill in a premeditated fashion will, in the majority of cases, do so whether or not there are sanctions in place as they have, for the most part, considered the possible punishment during their premeditations and work on the premise that they will not be apprehended.


The only thing that capital punishment provides for in my view – following due judicial process – is a state of ‘closure’ for the relatives of the victims.  To suggest that it would also save the state the expense of imprisonment for the offender would perhaps be crass.

The notion that if one person takes the life of another, with the intention of purposefully ending that persons life, that offender should lose their right to life, is another question entirely and one that perhaps provides traction to the desire for some to have, rightly or wrongly, ‘an eye for an eye’ 

The eye for an eye I agree with and closure for the family I agree with. So in that case justice is, get these scum bags of this planet, put them down like you would a rabid dog!!

[Dishevelled Den]

I'm afraid that capital punishment by way of judicial ruling doesn’t solve much

There is little deterrent effect to those who kill in the heat of the moment as they will generally will do so whether there is a lawful deterrent in force or not. These crimes are usually committed whilst the offender is entirely focussed on committing the act and not rationalising what the consequences of that act might be.

Those who choose to kill in a premeditated fashion will, in the majority of cases, do so whether or not there are sanctions in place as they have, for the most part, considered the possible punishment during their premeditations and work on the premise that they will not be apprehended.


The only thing that capital punishment provides for in my view – following due judicial process – is a state of ‘closure’ for the relatives of the victims.  To suggest that it would also save the state the expense of imprisonment for the offender would perhaps be crass.

The notion that if one person takes the life of another, with the intention of purposefully ending that persons life, that offender should lose their right to life, is another question entirely and one that perhaps provides traction to the desire for some to have, rightly or wrongly, ‘an eye for an eye’ 

The eye for an eye I agree with and closure for the family I agree with. So in that case justice is, get these scum bags of this planet, put them down like you would a rabid dog!!

The irrefutable evidence alluded to by the OP (ST) will always provide the stumbling block for those charged with applying capital punishment as not all persons accused and subsequently convicted of capital crimes are indeed guilty.  Miscarriages of justice have been made and will continue to be made.

Whether or not convicted persons are lawfully killed by the state judicial process is moot as that process will, by in large, fail to provide a deterrent to the crime thus allowing such crimes to be committed on a continuing basis.

[Richie London]

my mate said drugs are so easy to get inside because the guards want an easy life,they turn a blind eye to most things, while there out of there heads there not fighting or giving the gaurds any grief.

[Martin_1962]

We need to be careful what punishments are there for what laws.

We can end up with draconian for not hurting anyone and leniant for massive damage.

As to killing - too grey, too difficult for me to judge. But some killers should be killed and others I don't know.

[splott]

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I'm afraid that capital punishment by way of judicial ruling doesn’t solve much

There is little deterrent effect to those who kill in the heat of the moment as they will generally will do so whether there is a lawful deterrent in force or not. These crimes are usually committed whilst the offender is entirely focussed on committing the act and not rationalising what the consequences of that act might be.

Those who choose to kill in a premeditated fashion will, in the majority of cases, do so whether or not there are sanctions in place as they have, for the most part, considered the possible punishment during their premeditations and work on the premise that they will not be apprehended.


The only thing that capital punishment provides for in my view – following due judicial process – is a state of ‘closure’ for the relatives of the victims.  To suggest that it would also save the state the expense of imprisonment for the offender would perhaps be crass.

The notion that if one person takes the life of another, with the intention of purposefully ending that persons life, that offender should lose their right to life, is another question entirely and one that perhaps provides traction to the desire for some to have, rightly or wrongly, ‘an eye for an eye’ 

The eye for an eye I agree with and closure for the family I agree with. So in that case justice is, get these scum bags of this planet, put them down like you would a rabid dog!!

The irrefutable evidence alluded to by the OP (ST) will always provide the stumbling block for those charged with applying capital punishment as not all persons accused and subsequently convicted of capital crimes are indeed guilty.  Miscarriages of justice have been made and will continue to be made.

Whether or not convicted persons are lawfully killed by the state judicial process is moot as that process will, by in large, fail to provide a deterrent to the crime thus allowing such crimes to be committed on a continuing basis.
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Sorry but that is the usual minorty tosh that is banded about, the majoriy want capital punishment brought back. But minority rules!!!Sad that the majority don't  speak up!! Its not PC is it???

[Kevin Wood]

I don't have any fancy argument about deterrent effect or punishment or justice or debt to society.

I just don't want anyone taking anyone else's life in my name, and that's exactly what capital punishment is.

We've grown out of it, I'm glad to say, let's not take a giant step backwards.

Absolutely. Hopelessly inedequate though the current justice system may be, we don't need capital punishment, IMHO. We need life sentences that mean life, prisons that aren't holiday camps and the recognition that the prisoners therein are there to be punished by having their rights removed not to be "rehabilitated" and pandered to.

Kevin