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[Dishevelled Den]

The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600

How much for that plastic sh!t box!? 

I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T

Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?

I was referring to 'plastic shit box'

I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?

I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.

Probably got that from me  , seeing I was not particularly favourable about them, having had the displeasure of having to drive a few of them  .

In my defence, I believe I only refered to it a SB, not a PSB, so he has probably used a bit of artistic licence - students will be students

Thank you for that explanation, as long as I understand why things are said I don't mind in the least.

As you have found, this is a car that won't suit everyone, I have had almost three years of very satisfactory service from my present vehicle and will change to another on it's third birthday.

I'm far from an eco freak, as many on the Climate Change threads will attest to.

[Lazydocker]

The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600

How much for that plastic sh!t box!? 

I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T

Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?

I was referring to 'plastic shit box'

I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?

I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.

Its my personal opinion of them in short form 

In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.

Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.

If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.

For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.

You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.

Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway

[TheBoy]

The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600

How much for that plastic sh!t box!? 

I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T

Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?

I was referring to 'plastic shit box'

I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?

I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.

Its my personal opinion of them in short form 

In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.

Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.

If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.

For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.

You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.

Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway

Not really in my experience, as the bloody petrol engine starts to pop a load of charge back in the rapidly flattening batteries.

Any modern similar size diesel will surpass its mpg hands down.  And lugging 20 tonnes of dangerous chemicals about is never going to be economical...

[tunnie]

The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600

How much for that plastic sh!t box!? 

I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T

Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?

I was referring to 'plastic shit box'

I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?

I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.

Its my personal opinion of them in short form 

In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.

Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.

If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.

For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.

You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.

Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway

If i lived in a town / city centre, i would walk or cycle. Which i did at Uni, was just over 5 miles from my house to Uni, cycled it in all weathers. Record was 11 mins, usually 18 mins, faster than any car 

If i did need a car, i'd get a small diesel, better mpg, cheap to run, cheaper to buy.

[Lazydocker]

The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600

How much for that plastic sh!t box!? 

I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T

Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?

I was referring to 'plastic shit box'

I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?

I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.

Its my personal opinion of them in short form 

In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.

Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.

If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.

For your situation... Now think of a reversal of this.

You live in the city/town centre (anywhere there is a dealership within the general area) and rarely go outside the limits, therefore are within a 30mph limit most of the time. A Prius would be very economical for you.

Now, I'm not defending them because I think they're over-hyped... Anyway

Not really in my experience, as the bloody petrol engine starts to pop a load of charge back in the rapidly flattening batteries.

Any modern similar size diesel will surpass its mpg hands down.  And lugging 20 tonnes of dangerous chemicals about is never going to be economical...

No real arguments from me... I'm not a fan

Just playing Devil's Advocate

[Dishevelled Den]

The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600

How much for that plastic sh!t box!? 

I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T

Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?

I was referring to 'plastic shit box'

I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?

I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.

Its my personal opinion of them in short form 

In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.

Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.

If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.

Thank you for taking the time to detail your opinions T - some of them valid but it would seem that you have a set view.

Please don't pre-suppose that I'm in the least concerned about fuel efficiency, economy or have concerns over the Co2 output of the vehicle - I have none of these.

I have found in the three years of ownership this car to be reliable, comfortable and enjoyable to drive.  It doesn't cost me much money £15 per year road tax, no London congestion charge, when I'm there, modest insurance and servicing costs,
35 litres of fuel every six weeks or so.

I'm not driving it to make any statement, I'm doing so because it suits my needs.   

[Dishevelled Den]

If i lived in a town / city centre, i would walk or cycle. Which i did at Uni, was just over 5 miles from my house to Uni, cycled it in all weathers. Record was 11 mins, usually 18 mins, faster than any car 

If i did need a car, i'd get a small diesel, better mpg, cheap to run, cheaper to buy.

city centre, i would walk

As a matter of fact I agree with you - for the duration of my last London posting I did without a car (except for the official ones)

[TheBoy]

The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600

How much for that plastic sh!t box!? 

I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T

Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?

I was referring to 'plastic shit box'

I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?

I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.

Its my personal opinion of them in short form 

In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.

Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.

If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.

Thank you for taking the time to detail some of you opinions T - some of them valid but it would seem that you have a set view.

Please don't pre-suppose that I'm in the least concerned about fuel efficiency, economy or have concerns over the Co2 output of the vehicle - I have none of these.

I have found in the three years of ownership this car to be reliable, comfortable and enjoyable to drive.  It doesn't cost me much money £15 per year road tax, no London congestion charge, when I'm there, modest insurance and servicing costs,
35 litres of fuel every six weeks or so.

I'm not driving it to make any statement, I'm doing so because it suits my needs.   

Comfortable . Shows how we are all different - I couldn't walk for a week after an hour in the thing (but I do suffer with back pains - too much time up telegraph poles, usually dresses unsuitably  ).

The tax thing is why so many of my lot now have them as company cars, so it suits their needs.

Still a SB imho though, but we all have different needs

[tunnie]

The new Prius is an eco-model which is sold for between £19,500 and £22,600

How much for that plastic sh!t box!? 

I'm rather disappointed at you choice of language there T

Which bit, the colourful phrase for 'I don't like them', or the shocked bit that a milk float is so expensive?

I was referring to 'plastic shit box'

I refer to my previous question - what part of PSB did you find offensive - his particular choice of words, or the fact its a milk float?

I think the term PSB and the way it was used is quite clear - as for the implied critism of the car, I would have liked to have seen why T decided to reduce his doubts of the car's credentials to just such a pejorative phrase.

Its my personal opinion of them in short form 

In long form, ugly, slow, over-hyped, pointless. The amount of work, effort, transportion that goes into building them is huge, far more than a standard car. All that fuel used in transporting parts, batterys across the world cancelles out any gains in mpg.

Consider the basics - Servicing, if i did not DIY, i would take my car 1/2 mile down the road to old 'chunky in town to fix. All jobs can be done there. PSB? That needs to go to a dealer, which would be Oxford for me, a 40 mile round trip on either country roads or the motorway, exactly the place were a Prius is in no way shape or form economical.

If you want something economical get a diesel, if you want to save the planet, wait for hydrogen fuel cell cars. A bunch of AA batterys strapped to a small petrol engine, in a cheap jap box is not the way forward.

Thank you for taking the time to detail your opinions T - some of them valid but it would seem that you have a set view.

Please don't pre-suppose that I'm in the least concerned about fuel efficiency, economy or have concerns over the Co2 output of the vehicle - I have none of these.

I have found in the three years of ownership this car to be reliable, comfortable and enjoyable to drive.  It doesn't cost me much money £15 per year road tax, no London congestion charge, when I'm there, modest insurance and servicing costs,
35 litres of fuel every six weeks or so.

I'm not driving it to make any statement, I'm doing so because it suits my needs.   

I just feel there are much better cars out there for the money, even second hand:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/featuredlistingad/advert/200942344013932/usedcars/model/prius/make/toyota/page/1/sort/priceasc/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/13023?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2Fprius%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=flp

£12k for 2007 example!?

Mondeo TDCI,  more comfy, better on longer runs, if i had £12k to spend i would be looking at BWM 530d (520d if you want more mpg)

£7k for 2007 Mondeo

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347615065/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-from/7000/model/mondeo/make/ford/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fford%2Fmondeo%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmaximum-mileage%2Fup_to_40000_miles%2Ffuel-type%2Fdiesel%2Fprice-from%2F7000%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p

Both same miles / same age.... Mondeo can be taken to any dealer / back street place. You are already saving £5k, which is going to take years and years to pay back doing big miles (which you won't in a Prius)

So i still fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status  :-/

[TheBoy]

I just feel there are much better cars out there for the money, even second hand:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/featuredlistingad/advert/200942344013932/usedcars/model/prius/make/toyota/page/1/sort/priceasc/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/13023?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2Fprius%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=flp

£12k for 2007 example!?

Mondeo TDCI,  more comfy, better on longer runs, if i had £12k to spend i would be looking at BWM 530d (520d if you want more mpg)

£7k for 2007 Mondeo

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347615065/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-from/7000/model/mondeo/make/ford/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fford%2Fmondeo%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmaximum-mileage%2Fup_to_40000_miles%2Ffuel-type%2Fdiesel%2Fprice-from%2F7000%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p

Both same miles / same age.... Mondeo can be taken to any dealer / back street place. You are already saving £5k, which is going to take years and years to pay back doing big miles (which you won't in a Prius)

So i still fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status  :-/

I'll start by saying I hate that rather Milk Float. My choice, and my opinion, I'm entitled to at least that.

Anyway, we all have different requirements and tastes.  I, for one, wouldn't be seen dead in those BMW crocks of brown, smelly stuff you idolise so much.  I fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/



Comprendy

[tunnie]

I just feel there are much better cars out there for the money, even second hand:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/featuredlistingad/advert/200942344013932/usedcars/model/prius/make/toyota/page/1/sort/priceasc/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/13023?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2Fprius%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=flp

£12k for 2007 example!?

Mondeo TDCI,  more comfy, better on longer runs, if i had £12k to spend i would be looking at BWM 530d (520d if you want more mpg)

£7k for 2007 Mondeo

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200949347615065/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-from/7000/model/mondeo/make/ford/page/1/radius/1501/postcode/tw89de?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fused%2Fcars%2Fford%2Fmondeo%2Fpostcode%2Ftw89de%2Fradius%2F1501%2Fmaximum-mileage%2Fup_to_40000_miles%2Ffuel-type%2Fdiesel%2Fprice-from%2F7000%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&logcode=p

Both same miles / same age.... Mondeo can be taken to any dealer / back street place. You are already saving £5k, which is going to take years and years to pay back doing big miles (which you won't in a Prius)

So i still fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status  :-/

I'll start by saying I hate that rather Milk Float. My choice, and my opinion, I'm entitled to at least that.

Anyway, we all have different requirements and tastes.  I, for one, wouldn't be seen dead in those BMW crocks of brown, smelly stuff you idolise so much.  I fail to see the point, unless people get it for the status :-/



Comprendy

BMW is because of a lack of choice, 2.2 will need replacing at some point, name another RWD saloon with decent build, and smooth diesel engines?

300c - American crap build on top of poor merc build

E-Class - Too unreliable, not keen on the interiors

A8/A6 - Same as BMW image problems

Sat in 530d for first time, not blown away, tiny mirrors, twisty dials for climate 

But if i want to stay RWD, not much left  :-/

[TheBoy]

BMW is because of a lack of choice, 2.2 will need replacing at some point, name another RWD saloon with decent build, and smooth diesel engines?

I can't name any decent build, RWD luxury diesel. Merc probably nearest

300c - American crap build on top of poor merc build

Agree

E-Class - Too unreliable, not keen on the interiors

Merc reliability is returning. Chassis not the most inspiring imho

A8/A6 - Same as BMW image problems

err, FWD.  That said, I'd have an A6 diesel over a 3/5 series.

Sat in 530d for first time, not blown away, tiny mirrors, twisty dials for climate 

Like Sony, a brand purely living on its past reputation, when they used to be superior.

[TheBoy]

Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it.  Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those

[tunnie]

Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it.  Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those

Prefer to have A8 3.0 diesel...

[TheBoy]

Actually, the old 1.9 A6 is growing on me the more I drive it.  Needs chipping though. Fortunately, I think we have a decent map for one of those

Prefer to have A8 3.0 diesel...

See, I'd prefer a Jag XF diesel.

We are all different. It doesn't make my choice better or worse than yours....