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[Lizzie_Zoom]

You can fool some of the people some of the time,
But you cannot not fool all the people,all of the time.
                     Alfie.

But Alfie, who is fooling whom??

[Nickbat]

You can fool some of the people some of the time,
But you cannot not fool all the people,all of the time.
                     Alfie.

But Alfie, who is fooling whom??

The IPCC is fooling too many people, it would seem.

Watch this space for more dodgy scientific claims. 

[alfie]

Hello Elizabeth,Who do you think is making a nice fat profit out of this.
Is it the goverment,with their airport departure/surcharge tax on aircraft emissions.
Is the multinational engineering companies who make the wind turbines etc etc.
Is it the so called expertswho make their living out of scaring us to death with the end of the earth.
So its now make your mind up time,so everyone stop sitting on the fence and jump which ever way you think right.
                  Alfie.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Hello Elizabeth,Who do you think is making a nice fat profit out of this.
Is it the goverment,with their airport departure/surcharge tax on aircraft emissions.
Is the multinational engineering companies who make the wind turbines etc etc.
Is it the so called expertswho make their living out of scaring us to death with the end of the earth.
So its now make your mind up time,so everyone stop sitting on the fence and jump which ever way you think right.
                  Alfie.

We live in a capitalist system and so if a profit can be made by grasping 'an oppoortunity' then it will happen.  If there is no profit in it it will not.

I believe global warming is taking place, and I firmly believe we should do all that is practicable to protect our planet within reason.  i.e. recycle all we can; save power when we can; do not abuse the earth by greedy business practice, like ripping out the rain forrests or poluting so that the local populations are damaged such as during the industrial revolution or Cheynoble in recent times.

If there are ways we can achive these goals, whilst helping business make profit, which yet again the business system has identified they can, whilst providing jobs and security, why not?


Inspite of some claims, there is NO worldwide conspiracy in this, with even non-capitalist nations, such as huge China, agreeing "we", the world's population is facing many challenges and the planets leaders must unite to tackle the situation.  It is pure common sense, and if it proves to be over-reation, well so what?  Many of the world's population will be able to sleep easier in their beds, whilst jobs and profit would have been created.  The world could also last a lot longer for homo sapien sapien.

[Nickbat]

Hello Elizabeth,Who do you think is making a nice fat profit out of this.
Is it the goverment,with their airport departure/surcharge tax on aircraft emissions.
Is the multinational engineering companies who make the wind turbines etc etc.
Is it the so called expertswho make their living out of scaring us to death with the end of the earth.
So its now make your mind up time,so everyone stop sitting on the fence and jump which ever way you think right.
                  Alfie.

We live in a capitalist system and so if a profit can be made by grasping 'an oppoortunity' then it will happen.  If there is no profit in it it will not.

I believe global warming is taking place, and I firmly believe we should do all that is practicable to protect our planet within reason.  i.e. recycle all we can; save power when we can; do not abuse the earth by greedy business practice, like ripping out the rain forrests or poluting so that the local populations are damaged such as during the industrial revolution or Cheynoble in recent times.

If there are ways we can achive these goals, whilst helping business make profit, which yet again the business system has identified they can, whilst providing jobs and security, why not?


Inspite of some claims, there is NO worldwide conspiracy in this, with even non-capitalist nations, such as huge China, agreeing "we", the world's population is facing many challenges and the planets leaders must unite to tackle the situation.  It is pure common sense, and if it proves to be over-reation, well so what?  Many of the world's population will be able to sleep easier in their beds, whilst jobs and profit would have been created.  The world could also last a lot longer for homo sapien sapien.

Don't think that it is as clear-cut as you make out, Elizabeth.

This study calculates that since 2000 Spain spent €571,138 to create each “green job”, including subsidies of more than €1 million per wind industry job.

For every 100 green jobs created, 220 real jobs were lost.

Of those 100 green jobs, 65 were involved in construction, fabrication and installation, 25 in administration, projects engineering and marketing and just 10 more permanent positions in operating and maintaining the renewable energy source.

It is estimated that for every one of green jobs created, over five jobs will be lost.


http://www.globalwarming.nottinghamshiretimes.co.uk/CostGreenjobs.html
 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Hello Elizabeth,Who do you think is making a nice fat profit out of this.
Is it the goverment,with their airport departure/surcharge tax on aircraft emissions.
Is the multinational engineering companies who make the wind turbines etc etc.
Is it the so called expertswho make their living out of scaring us to death with the end of the earth.
So its now make your mind up time,so everyone stop sitting on the fence and jump which ever way you think right.
                  Alfie.

We live in a capitalist system and so if a profit can be made by grasping 'an oppoortunity' then it will happen.  If there is no profit in it it will not.

I believe global warming is taking place, and I firmly believe we should do all that is practicable to protect our planet within reason.  i.e. recycle all we can; save power when we can; do not abuse the earth by greedy business practice, like ripping out the rain forrests or poluting so that the local populations are damaged such as during the industrial revolution or Cheynoble in recent times.

If there are ways we can achive these goals, whilst helping business make profit, which yet again the business system has identified they can, whilst providing jobs and security, why not?


Inspite of some claims, there is NO worldwide conspiracy in this, with even non-capitalist nations, such as huge China, agreeing "we", the world's population is facing many challenges and the planets leaders must unite to tackle the situation.  It is pure common sense, and if it proves to be over-reation, well so what?  Many of the world's population will be able to sleep easier in their beds, whilst jobs and profit would have been created.  The world could also last a lot longer for homo sapien sapien.

Don't think that it is as clear-cut as you make out, Elizabeth.

This study calculates that since 2000 Spain spent €571,138 to create each “green job”, including subsidies of more than €1 million per wind industry job.

For every 100 green jobs created, 220 real jobs were lost.

Of those 100 green jobs, 65 were involved in construction, fabrication and installation, 25 in administration, projects engineering and marketing and just 10 more permanent positions in operating and maintaining the renewable energy source.

It is estimated that for every one of green jobs created, over five jobs will be lost.


http://www.globalwarming.nottinghamshiretimes.co.uk/CostGreenjobs.html
 

But surely Spain has had it's own perculiar problems, in the form of a massive, over inflated, and at times illegal, construction industry, that has been hit very hard by a greatly reduced demand for 'in the sun' accommodation, plus a Spanish government clamp down.

Spain, and indeed the whole of Europe, has been affected by the general recession so I do not think these figures can be properly related to the march of the environmental movement.

[alfie]

Hey I,m opened minded about a lot of things,but I know when I, being shafted by the goverment and big buisness.
                Alfie.
Ps  We have a eco neighbour who has just installed a eco friendly wood burning fire.Bloodly Awful,Smelly Polluting and unneighbourly.

[PhilRich]

Hey I,m opened minded about a lot of things,but I know when I, being shafted by the goverment and big buisness.
                Alfie.
Ps  We have a eco neighbour who has just installed a eco friendly wood burning fire.Bloodly Awful,Smelly Polluting and unneighbourly.

[/highlight]

I'm not sure, so please don't jump down my throat, but doesn't that contravene sections of the 'Clean Air Act'? :-/

[cruisetopoland]

Hey I,m opened minded about a lot of things,but I know when I, being shafted by the goverment and big buisness.
                Alfie.
Ps  We have a eco neighbour who has just installed a eco friendly wood burning fire.Bloodly Awful,Smelly Polluting and unneighbourly.

[/highlight]

I'm not sure, so please don't jump down my throat, but doesn't that contravene sections of the 'Clean Air Act'? :-/

Depends on the burner-some recirculate and reburn the exhaust fumes-like the fabulous airwash Clearview Stoves which are extremely efficient and clean if used properly.

Our old neighbour used to stink us out with their wet wood and crap burner-so I can sympathise 

[alfie]

Hi,in response to to the last 2 posts(i havn,t learnt how to drag them posts down) he had a visit from the council,someone has complained(not me) but the smoke continues.

He burns any old timber,new cut logs,pallets,etc.
Really Really smelly and horrible.
Alfie.

[Dishevelled Den]

You can fool some of the people some of the time,
But you cannot not fool all the people,all of the time.
                     Alfie.

But Alfie, who is fooling whom??

But Alfie, who is fooling whom

Who? the elite  Whom? everyone else.

[cruisetopoland]

Hi,in response to to the last 2 posts(i havn,t learnt how to drag them posts down) he had a visit from the council,someone has complained(not me) but the smoke continues.

He burns any old timber,new cut logs,pallets,etc.
Really Really smelly and horrible.
Alfie.

Use the quote button on top right of post, not the reply button 

[Nickbat]

You can fool some of the people some of the time,
But you cannot not fool all the people,all of the time.
                     Alfie.

But Alfie, who is fooling whom??

The IPCC is fooling too many people, it would seem.

Watch this space for more dodgy scientific claims. 

As promised: 

"...the IPCC has wrongly claimed that in some African countries, yields from rain-fed agriculture could be reduced by up to 50 percent by 2020.

At best, this is a wild exaggeration, unsupported by any scientific research, referenced only to a report produced by a Canadian advocacy group, written by an obscure Moroccan academic who specialises in carbon trading, citing references which do not support his claims."


http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/02/and-now-for-africagate.html

Who, indeed, is fooling whom? 

[Dishevelled Den]

Hello Elizabeth,Who do you think is making a nice fat profit out of this.
Is it the goverment,with their airport departure/surcharge tax on aircraft emissions.
Is the multinational engineering companies who make the wind turbines etc etc.
Is it the so called expertswho make their living out of scaring us to death with the end of the earth.
So its now make your mind up time,so everyone stop sitting on the fence and jump which ever way you think right.
                  Alfie.

We live in a capitalist system and so if a profit can be made by grasping 'an oppoortunity' then it will happen.  If there is no profit in it it will not.

I believe global warming is taking place, and I firmly believe we should do all that is practicable to protect our planet within reason.  i.e. recycle all we can; save power when we can; do not abuse the earth by greedy business practice, like ripping out the rain forrests or poluting so that the local populations are damaged such as during the industrial revolution or Cheynoble in recent times.

If there are ways we can achive these goals, whilst helping business make profit, which yet again the business system has identified they can, whilst providing jobs and security, why not?


Inspite of some claims, there is NO worldwide conspiracy in this, with even non-capitalist nations, such as huge China, agreeing "we", the world's population is facing many challenges and the planets leaders must unite to tackle the situation.  It is pure common sense, and if it proves to be over-reation, well so what?  Many of the world's population will be able to sleep easier in their beds, whilst jobs and profit would have been created.  The world could also last a lot longer for homo sapien sapien.

We live in a capitalist system and so if a profit can be made by grasping 'an oppoortunity' then it will happen

A rather distasteful aspect of the system E.

If there is no profit in it it will not

Perhaps that's the sort of direction our government should be thinking about taking in matters concerning energy policy.

I believe global warming is taking place, and I firmly believe we should do all that is practicable to protect our planet within reason.

I completely agree with you E, unfortunately our government seems to be proposing energy policies that are far from the reasonable.

greedy business practice, like ripping out the rain forrests

This is, of course, a natural casualty and another unsavoury aspect of the 'system' and of lax and uninterested government – not forgetting the lust for profit.

business system has identified they can, whilst providing jobs and security, why not

Of course they have E, they've been handed a licence to print money, so to speak, by government.  Since when was business all that interested in creating jobs and job security for the benefit of their staff?  The bottom line will always dictate employment practice and these benefactors of the business world will, for the most part, always wish to have the job done by the least number of people for the minimum outlay.

Many of the world's population will be able to sleep easier in their beds, whilst jobs and profit would have been created

That's a rather idealized view E, if I might say so.  Will the jobs be worthwhile having and who will benefit from the profit but the shareholders and elite of the businesses concerned?

Finally I wouldn’t attach too much importance to what the Chinese say, as they do quite nicely in acquiring more than enough of the world's resources

[Nickbat]

...and:

"In all the coverage lately given to the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and its embattled chairman, Dr Rajendra Pachauri, one rather important part of the story has largely been missed. This is the way in which, in its obsession with climate change, different branches of the UK Government have in recent years been pouring hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money into a bewildering array of "climate-related" projects, often throwing a veil of mystery over how much is being paid, to whom and why."

...

Then why should DfID have paid £30 million to assist "climate change adaptation in Africa"; or £2.5 million for the same in China? Why in 2002 should UK taxpayers have given £200,000 to pay for delegates from developing nations to attend a "Rio Earth Summit" conference in Johannesburg, and another £120,000 for green activists to attend the same shindig – let alone £10,000 for a "workshop on women as 'sacred custodians' of the Earth", to "explore the spiritual, religious and philosophical views concerning women and ecology and the policy implications of these belief systems"?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7176262/Climate-makes-money-move-in-mysterious-ways.html

And all this finance coming from a  country that is technically broke.

Should I laugh or cry?