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[albitz]

I would add that I dont believe a word any of the three main parties are saying in their campaigns. In fact I believe that they are all lying through their teeth. They cant possibly ring fence spending on anything , the country is far too skint for that. There must be savage cuts in public spending and there must be tax rises (on top of the 50+ tax rises already imposed by GB) they are all talking crap about education/health/defence etc.
The only difference will be that the Tories will lean more towards spending cuts while Liebore will lean more towards tax rises. As for the Libdems - who knows, not even they know imo. The only thing Clegg seems to be interested in is complete integration with the EU. He seems to think that the answer to all our problems lie there, despite the fact that what is happening in Greece tells us the complete opposite.

[Nickbat]

I would add that I dont believe a word any of the three main parties are saying in their campaigns. In fact I believe that they are all lying through their teeth. They cant possibly ring fence spending on anything , the country is far too skint for that. There must be savage cuts in public spending and there must be tax rises (on top of the 50+ tax rises already imposed by GB) they are all talking crap about education/health/defence etc.
The only difference will be that the Tories will lean more towards spending cuts while Liebore will lean more towards tax rises. As for the Libdems - who knows, not even they know imo. The only thing Clegg seems to be interested in is complete integration with the EU. He seems to think that the answer to all our problems lie there, despite the fact that what is happening in Greece tells us the complete opposite.

I'm almost (but not quite!) getting bored of agreeing with everything you say, Albs!! 

However, as stated earlier in the thread, a wise politician would cut tax, not raise it. Mind you, we're a bit thin on the ground when it comes to wise politicians. 

[albitz]

As thin as the hair on my head Nick.

[Nickbat]

As thin as the hair on my head Nick.

 

[Banjax]

Very well said Jereboam. ...........Imo there are only two kinds of people who could contemplate voting this disgraceful specimen back into power.
1. Fools
2. Those with a vested interest (public sector employees / those who like living on benefits for example) and are happy to put their own interests above those of the future of their country.

I am no fan of the Tories, but out of the 3 main parties they are the only party who might put right some of the wrong which has been done under this hateful shower. I notice that George Osborne has been missing from the Tories election campaign, hopefully this is a sign that Cameron has realised that he is a liabilty and plans to replace him with Ken Clarke - the man who left Brown with an economy which was in a very healthy state.
If anyyone who is thinking of voting Labour would care to do a little research on the UK economy since the 2nd world war, they will find that every time Labour get in they take over a healthy economy from the Tories, they then proceed to wreck it and it stays wrecked until the Tories are voted back in to put it right. They have made a bigger mess this time than any government in history and if they are re-elected I predict that Darling (or Cable ?) will be going cap in hand to the IMF just like Healey did in the 70,s.
 
Personally, Im still voting UKIP. 

We're so alike you and me Albs - we both agree George Osborne is a liability for the tories and I always try to end on a joke too, nice touch 

[jereboam]

Just another passing thought...

When Messrs. Brown & Darling are finally winkled out of the Treasury, are we going to find any nasty little secrets that they hadn't actually told us about?

I mean, I know that the senior civil servants are supposed to keep an eye on things, and I realise that current attitudes towards integrity and ethics mean that everything has been leaked anyway, but I can't help worrying that the next occupant of Number 11 may open his desk drawer and find a whole batch of unpaid bills that the Great British Public know nothing about.

[Banjax]

Just another passing thought...

When Messrs. Brown & Darling are finally winkled out of the Treasury, are we going to find any nasty little secrets that they hadn't actually told us about?

I mean, I know that the senior civil servants are supposed to keep an eye on things, and I realise that current attitudes towards integrity and ethics mean that everything has been leaked anyway, but I can't help worrying that the next occupant of Number 11 may open his desk drawer and find a whole batch of unpaid bills that the Great British Public know nothing about.

All three main parties aren't really mentioning the elephant in the room £170 billion budget deficit - banging on about £6billion "efficiency savings" but failing to tell us idiots where these cuts will be  - they're also all lying about raising income tax - that's guaranteed although every party says "we have no plans to raise income tax" gives them plausable deniability when the inevitable rise happens next year.

Accept no one is telling the truth - but who will do the least damage to the recovery? 

[HolyCount]

Very well said Jereboam. ...........Imo there are only two kinds of people who could contemplate voting this disgraceful specimen back into power.
1. Fools
2. Those with a vested interest (public sector employees / those who like living on benefits for example) and are happy to put their own interests above those of the future of their country.

I am no fan of the Tories, but out of the 3 main parties they are the only party who might put right some of the wrong which has been done under this hateful shower. I notice that George Osborne has been missing from the Tories election campaign, hopefully this is a sign that Cameron has realised that he is a liabilty and plans to replace him with Ken Clarke - the man who left Brown with an economy which was in a very healthy state.
If anyyone who is thinking of voting Labour would care to do a little research on the UK economy since the 2nd world war, they will find that every time Labour get in they take over a healthy economy from the Tories, they then proceed to wreck it and it stays wrecked until the Tories are voted back in to put it right. They have made a bigger mess this time than any government in history and if they are re-elected I predict that Darling (or Cable ?) will be going cap in hand to the IMF just like Healey did in the 70,s.
 
Personally, Im still voting UKIP. 

Personally I feel that comment should be restricted to Higher ranking (non-job) public sector employees and benefit scroungers.

Rank and file public sector workers (except, for some mysterious reason, MOD) have been facing the axe for the last few years under Brown..... and it isn't going to get better. So any public servant (apart from the non-jobs) who votes GB thinking it will save their necks IS a fool !!!!!

[doog]

after much deliberation, soul-searching and examining the pros and cons I've decided that this election boils down to one single issue that towers over all other concerns. It's the economy, stupid 

To that end I truly believe that the Tories cannot be trusted to protect jobs, if they get in - I'd love to be proved wrong but they're plans may well be disastrous.

LibDems would sadly be a vote wasted (Ochil and South Perthshire is a 2-horse race between Labour and SNP - in fact it's the SNP's no.1 target with a wafer thin Labour majority).

Whatever everyone thinks of Gordon Brown (and everyone seems to have an opinion) he handles questions on the economy with ease, he knows what he's talking about and what's required and above all seems to make sense.

I don't think most people (me included) actually realise how fragile our economy is - I would be really nervous of Cameron and Osbourne wading in with public sector cuts to appeal to the Tory faithful in some mad experiment with peoples jobs 

As a Labour majority looks increasingly unlikely (but not beyond the boundaries of reason) - perhaps the best I can hope for is a hung parliament with a Lib/Lab pact. If they then bring in proportional representation I can vote for who I want....until then I need to vote Labour 

now...let me fetch my tin hat  8-)

You voting for Gordon Banks too then Banjax I had him on my door step 2 weeks ago
His seat is the number 1 target seat for the SNP  he had a majority of only 700 at the last election  so he may not get re-elected.
I will also be voting Labour but only to try and prevent these snp arseholes gaining another seat.

Doug

[HolyCount]

Question .... If GB looses his seat and therefore isn't an MP and Labour actually get re-elected .... Can he still be PM ? :-?

[Gaffers]

I'm voting Labour.....

Someone has to I suppose

[Banjax]

after much deliberation, soul-searching and examining the pros and cons I've decided that this election boils down to one single issue that towers over all other concerns. It's the economy, stupid 

To that end I truly believe that the Tories cannot be trusted to protect jobs, if they get in - I'd love to be proved wrong but they're plans may well be disastrous.

LibDems would sadly be a vote wasted (Ochil and South Perthshire is a 2-horse race between Labour and SNP - in fact it's the SNP's no.1 target with a wafer thin Labour majority).

Whatever everyone thinks of Gordon Brown (and everyone seems to have an opinion) he handles questions on the economy with ease, he knows what he's talking about and what's required and above all seems to make sense.

I don't think most people (me included) actually realise how fragile our economy is - I would be really nervous of Cameron and Osbourne wading in with public sector cuts to appeal to the Tory faithful in some mad experiment with peoples jobs 

As a Labour majority looks increasingly unlikely (but not beyond the boundaries of reason) - perhaps the best I can hope for is a hung parliament with a Lib/Lab pact. If they then bring in proportional representation I can vote for who I want....until then I need to vote Labour 

now...let me fetch my tin hat  8-)

You voting for Gordon Banks too then Banjax I had him on my door step 2 weeks ago
His seat is the number 1 target seat for the SNP  he had a majority of only 700 at the last election  so he may not get re-elected.
I will also be voting Labour but only to try and prevent these snp arseholes gaining another seat.

Doug

yep - Gordon Banks is our guy - at least he's a safe pair of hands! - i'll get my coat

its wafer thin majority, but some areas in scotland Labour vote has remained steady or risen - we cant afford SNP's crazy "no cuts" policies  much as i hate to see cuts, the snp are dreaming if they think people are buying that 

[Nickbat]

..and if you thought voting for anyone other than UKIP will bring change, ponder this:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmK-f88gcx8&feature=player_embedded[/media]

 

[jereboam]

..and if you thought voting for anyone other than UKIP will bring change, ponder this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmK-f88gcx8&feature=player_embedded

 

So, despite your antipathy towards Gordon Brown, you would risk allowing him back in by voting for a minority party which stands no chance at all of becoming part of the next government?

Personally, I have no problem whatsoever with the dubious fact that the European Legislature is providing 75% of our laws.  Given the makeup of the last House of Commons, they're probably somewhat better at it.

And given Mr. Farrage's immoderate behaviour when representing a British constituency in Europe, I think one would do better to avoid this shower altogether. 

Look, we're geographically part of Europe, we're ethnically part of Europe, and since 1974, we've been economically part of Europe.  Our national defences would not be viable outside of NATO.  Withdrawal from the EU would achieve nothing positive.  All our expats would have to come home, all 5m of them.  A significant proportion of them would be pensioners who would struggle to get by with the higher cost of living in the UK and would therefore need to avail themselves of the benefit system without actually making any contribution to the economy.  On the other hand, all the Eastern European tradesmen and unskilled workers doing all the nasty jobs we are too fastidious to do would have to go back to their countries of origin, leaving us in something of a mess.

So don't waste your vote on UKIP.  Vote either Conservative or Lib Dem depending on whichever has the best chance of unseating a Labour candidate. 

I live in a safe Conservative constituency.  While I prefer the Lib Dem's policies (and leader, for that matter), I shall probably vote Conservative, just to make sure that there's not a surprise Lib Dem surge that allows a situation whereby Labour come back to power.

[Nickbat]

..and if you thought voting for anyone other than UKIP will bring change, ponder this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmK-f88gcx8&feature=player_embedded

 

So, despite your antipathy towards Gordon Brown, you would risk allowing him back in by voting for a minority party which stands no chance at all of becoming part of the next government?

Personally, I have no problem whatsoever with the dubious fact that the European Legislature is providing 75% of our laws.  Given the makeup of the last House of Commons, they're probably somewhat better at it.

And given Mr. Farrage's immoderate behaviour when representing a British constituency in Europe, I think one would do better to avoid this shower altogether. 

Look, we're geographically part of Europe, we're ethnically part of Europe, and since 1974, we've been economically part of Europe.  Our national defences would not be viable outside of NATO.  Withdrawal from the EU would achieve nothing positive. All our expats would have to come home, all 5m of them.  A significant proportion of them would be pensioners who would struggle to get by with the higher cost of living in the UK and would therefore need to avail themselves of the benefit system without actually making any contribution to the economy.  On the other hand, all the Eastern European tradesmen and unskilled workers doing all the nasty jobs we are too fastidious to do would have to go back to their countries of origin, leaving us in something of a mess.

So don't waste your vote on UKIP.  Vote either Conservative or Lib Dem depending on whichever has the best chance of unseating a Labour candidate. 

I live in a safe Conservative constituency.  While I prefer the Lib Dem's policies (and leader, for that matter), I shall probably vote Conservative, just to make sure that there's not a surprise Lib Dem surge that allows a situation whereby Labour come back to power.

Well I DO have a problem with the European Legislature making up 75% of our laws. The EU is undemocratic, despite pretensions to the contrary. If we vote for a certain administration here in the UK, it won't make one iota of difference if the majority of laws are passed elsewhere, thus making a mockery of our Parliament. Remember, this is an organisation that for the past 14 or 15 years (can't remember the exact number) has been unable to get off its accounts signed off. If it was a commercial company, it would have long since been subject to investigation.

Secondly, the ex-pats would not be sent home like persona non grata. The fact is that they provide their domiciled country with income. The same goes for trade, no EU company would suddenly stop trading with the UK if we were not in the EU. Besides which, UKIP is calling for a free-trade EU, not the political monstrosity that we now have.

Thirdly a vote for UKIP is NOT a wasted vote. If we all thought that way there would never ever be a change from the two/three party farce we have now. Each party must earn my vote; they do not get it by default. None of them have. I know UKIP won't form a government, but that's not the point. Rather, if they do well, it will send a clear signal to the political classes that the issue of the EU, amongst others, must be addressed.

I want to see the back of Brown as much as anyone else, but don't be fooled that either a Cameron or Clegg administration would be that much different, especially when we are at the beck-and-call of the bureaucrats in Brussels. 

I will vote according to my conscience, anything less would be a betrayal.

PS
Nato has nothing to do with the EU. Nato was originally conceived in 1949 and has as much to do with the US as it does with Europe, so has nothing to do with the UKIP policy of leaving the political union of the EU.