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[Darth Loo-knee]

Have a beer and chill guy's, else I am gonna strip bollok naked and run down the road again

[JamesV6CDX]

What are your views on this....

This is something someone I know, remarked on the situation:

The obvious implication here is that these teenagers could have been subject to an unfair trial due to some personal bias held by the Magistrate(s).

As reprehensible as their behaviour might have been, they are still entitled to a fair trial and a punishment that fits the crime. The further comments made along the lines of 'If it was in our power...' support my view on the matter because it's suggesting that the Magistrate could not take an objective view of the case.

James,

Not sure what your point is. If these two did what was alleged, normal people would indeed consider them as "scum".

 :-/

Nick,

I didn't make any point.

If you re-read my post, I was quoting something from someone else, and asking what peoples views on it were.

Apologies, James. Misunderstood. 

No problem mate, it's late! 

[JamesV6CDX]

Have a beer and chill guy's, else I am gonna strip bollok naked and run down the road again

If I had one, I would drink it  I'll get the shakes soon 

[Vamps]

I'm currently in the process of applying to become a magistrate, and will be attending some further interviews shortly.
I would happily call anyone scum who did that, and not hesitate in the least. Ideally, yes...it was perhaps not the wisest of words...but I don't see any issue with it.
Bearing in mind, every single case is always heard at a magistrate's court first, from rape to murder they see everything.
All cases start in mag's, then go to CC or other CC or higher if need be.

Not so, and I spend a lot of time in Court....

All criminal cases start in a magistrates' court or youth court. The vast majority will remain there, providing the offence is not considered so serious that only a crown court can deal with it. ...taken from http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/faqs/faqs_magistrates.htm

But you are right Vamps, there are certain exceptions, but as a whole 97% start in the Mags.

Fair point, I have been in both....

[JamesV6CDX]

I am in the witness box in early June, and on three other occasions through the spring. Have only done it once, and that was in a civvie capacity... not looking forwards to it  :-/ but it will be an experience!

[Darth Loo-knee]

I'm currently in the process of applying to become a magistrate, and will be attending some further interviews shortly.
I would happily call anyone scum who did that, and not hesitate in the least. Ideally, yes...it was perhaps not the wisest of words...but I don't see any issue with it.
Bearing in mind, every single case is always heard at a magistrate's court first, from rape to murder they see everything.
All cases start in mag's, then go to CC or other CC or higher if need be.

Not so, and I spend a lot of time in Court....

All criminal cases start in a magistrates' court or youth court. The vast majority will remain there, providing the offence is not considered so serious that only a crown court can deal with it. ...taken from http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/faqs/faqs_magistrates.htm

But you are right Vamps, there are certain exceptions, but as a whole 97% start in the Mags.

Fair point, I have been in both....

Just wondering Vamps why you have been in cases? suicases? were you a stowaway?

[joshwyatt]

I'm currently in the process of applying to become a magistrate, and will be attending some further interviews shortly.
I would happily call anyone scum who did that, and not hesitate in the least. Ideally, yes...it was perhaps not the wisest of words...but I don't see any issue with it.
Bearing in mind, every single case is always heard at a magistrate's court first, from rape to murder they see everything.
All cases start in mag's, then go to CC or other CC or higher if need be.

Not so, and I spend a lot of time in Court....

All criminal cases start in a magistrates' court or youth court. The vast majority will remain there, providing the offence is not considered so serious that only a crown court can deal with it. ...taken from http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/faqs/faqs_magistrates.htm

But you are right Vamps, there are certain exceptions, but as a whole 97% start in the Mags.

Fair point, I have been in both....

  in an official capacity? Or dare I ask? 

[Darth Loo-knee]

I'm currently in the process of applying to become a magistrate, and will be attending some further interviews shortly.
I would happily call anyone scum who did that, and not hesitate in the least. Ideally, yes...it was perhaps not the wisest of words...but I don't see any issue with it.
Bearing in mind, every single case is always heard at a magistrate's court first, from rape to murder they see everything.
All cases start in mag's, then go to CC or other CC or higher if need be.

Not so, and I spend a lot of time in Court....

All criminal cases start in a magistrates' court or youth court. The vast majority will remain there, providing the offence is not considered so serious that only a crown court can deal with it. ...taken from http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/faqs/faqs_magistrates.htm

But you are right Vamps, there are certain exceptions, but as a whole 97% start in the Mags.

Fair point, I have been in both....

Just wondering Vamps why you have been in cases? suitcases? you said "All Cases!" were you a stowaway?

[Nickbat]

James is right.
However, I along with others would feel the 'scum' comment fine, but in an official capacity it is not reasonable to make that observation.
However, technically it was not and should have not been said, mags are not normal people...they must be objective and refrain from making these comments.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. :-/

At the end of the day, a magistrate is surely entitled to "grade" a crime. He/she may call a crime "heinous", "disgusting", "vile" etc.  In this case, as I read it, the magistrate was pointing out the fact that, in his opinion, most people would regard such perpetrators as "scum". That is a subjective view, but not necessarily his/her own view.

Maybe I am being too pedantic. 

[Darth Loo-knee]

James is right.
However, I along with others would feel the 'scum' comment fine, but in an official capacity it is not reasonable to make that observation.
However, technically it was not and should have not been said, mags are not normal people...they must be objective and refrain from making these comments.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. :-/

At the end of the day, a magistrate is surely entitled to "grade" a crime. He/she may call a crime "heinous", "disgusting", "vile" etc.  In this case, as I read it, the magistrate was pointing out the fact that, in his opinion, most people would regard such perpetrators as "scum". That is a subjective view, but not necessarily his/her own view.

Maybe I am being too pedantic. 

Yeap, get off bed

[Nickbat]

James is right.
However, I along with others would feel the 'scum' comment fine, but in an official capacity it is not reasonable to make that observation.
However, technically it was not and should have not been said, mags are not normal people...they must be objective and refrain from making these comments.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. :-/

At the end of the day, a magistrate is surely entitled to "grade" a crime. He/she may call a crime "heinous", "disgusting", "vile" etc.  In this case, as I read it, the magistrate was pointing out the fact that, in his opinion, most people would regard such perpetrators as "scum". That is a subjective view, but not necessarily his/her own view.

Maybe I am being too pedantic. 

Yeap, get off bed

Wilco! Over and out. 

[joshwyatt]

James is right.
However, I along with others would feel the 'scum' comment fine, but in an official capacity it is not reasonable to make that observation.
However, technically it was not and should have not been said, mags are not normal people...they must be objective and refrain from making these comments.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. :-/

At the end of the day, a magistrate is surely entitled to "grade" a crime. He/she may call a crime "heinous", "disgusting", "vile" etc.  In this case, as I read it, the magistrate was pointing out the fact that, in his opinion, most people would regard such perpetrators as "scum". That is a subjective view, but not necessarily his/her own view.

Maybe I am being too pedantic. 

That is a good, strong point Nickbat...and I must admit I do agree with it.
But even though I agree with it, I couldn't fully support it.
The law is a very prescious and delicate thing.
A mag must not let personal feelings get in the way, but more importantly they must not appear to let that happen.
As a police officer, member of the judiciary or other such position it is your job to uphold the law, and do that in the most professional way. There are infact certain words you are allowed to use to descrbie criminals and their acts which are deemed acceptable. Scum is not allowed, and other such words as animals. This does slip by on many occasions. It is very rearely challenged.
Lord Denning, as any Law student (me included) will tell you had very forthright opinions and was outspoken, but even he agreed with the rules.
It is very interesting to read his reports and ideas and correlate it with Hansard.

[Darth Loo-knee]

James is right.
However, I along with others would feel the 'scum' comment fine, but in an official capacity it is not reasonable to make that observation.
However, technically it was not and should have not been said, mags are not normal people...they must be objective and refrain from making these comments.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. :-/

At the end of the day, a magistrate is surely entitled to "grade" a crime. He/she may call a crime "heinous", "disgusting", "vile" etc.  In this case, as I read it, the magistrate was pointing out the fact that, in his opinion, most people would regard such perpetrators as "scum". That is a subjective view, but not necessarily his/her own view.

Maybe I am being too pedantic. 

That is a good, strong point Nickbat...and I must admit I do agree with it.
But even though I agree with it, I couldn't fully support it.
The law is a very prescious and delicate thing.
A mag must not let personal feelings get in the way, but more importantly they must not appear to let that happen.
As a police officer, member of the judiciary or other such position it is your job to uphold the law, and do that in the most professional way. There are infact certain words you are allowed to use to descrbie criminals and their acts which are deemed acceptable. Scum is not allowed, and other such words as animals. This does slip by on many occasions. It is very rearely challenged.
Lord Denning, as any Law student (me included) will tell you had very forthright opinions and was outspoken, but even he agreed with the rules.
It is very interesting to read his reports and ideas and correlate it with Hansard.

What about... Thoroughly Naughty Boy/Girl??

[joshwyatt]

James is right.
However, I along with others would feel the 'scum' comment fine, but in an official capacity it is not reasonable to make that observation.
However, technically it was not and should have not been said, mags are not normal people...they must be objective and refrain from making these comments.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. :-/

At the end of the day, a magistrate is surely entitled to "grade" a crime. He/she may call a crime "heinous", "disgusting", "vile" etc.  In this case, as I read it, the magistrate was pointing out the fact that, in his opinion, most people would regard such perpetrators as "scum". That is a subjective view, but not necessarily his/her own view.

Maybe I am being too pedantic. 

That is a good, strong point Nickbat...and I must admit I do agree with it.
But even though I agree with it, I couldn't fully support it.
The law is a very prescious and delicate thing.
A mag must not let personal feelings get in the way, but more importantly they must not appear to let that happen.
As a police officer, member of the judiciary or other such position it is your job to uphold the law, and do that in the most professional way. There are infact certain words you are allowed to use to descrbie criminals and their acts which are deemed acceptable. Scum is not allowed, and other such words as animals. This does slip by on many occasions. It is very rearely challenged.
Lord Denning, as any Law student (me included) will tell you had very forthright opinions and was outspoken, but even he agreed with the rules.
It is very interesting to read his reports and ideas and correlate it with Hansard.

What about... Thoroughly Naughty Boy/Girl??

  indeed Daz...I think you've missed your true calling, become a high court judge...you'll have our court system fixed in no time. And you get to confiscate stuff 

[Darth Loo-knee]

James is right.
However, I along with others would feel the 'scum' comment fine, but in an official capacity it is not reasonable to make that observation.
However, technically it was not and should have not been said, mags are not normal people...they must be objective and refrain from making these comments.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. :-/

At the end of the day, a magistrate is surely entitled to "grade" a crime. He/she may call a crime "heinous", "disgusting", "vile" etc.  In this case, as I read it, the magistrate was pointing out the fact that, in his opinion, most people would regard such perpetrators as "scum". That is a subjective view, but not necessarily his/her own view.

Maybe I am being too pedantic. 

That is a good, strong point Nickbat...and I must admit I do agree with it.
But even though I agree with it, I couldn't fully support it.
The law is a very prescious and delicate thing.
A mag must not let personal feelings get in the way, but more importantly they must not appear to let that happen.
As a police officer, member of the judiciary or other such position it is your job to uphold the law, and do that in the most professional way. There are infact certain words you are allowed to use to descrbie criminals and their acts which are deemed acceptable. Scum is not allowed, and other such words as animals. This does slip by on many occasions. It is very rearely challenged.
Lord Denning, as any Law student (me included) will tell you had very forthright opinions and was outspoken, but even he agreed with the rules.
It is very interesting to read his reports and ideas and correlate it with Hansard.

What about... Thoroughly Naughty Boy/Girl??

  indeed Daz...I think you've missed your true calling, become a high court judge...you'll have our court system fixed in no time. And you get to confiscate stuff 

Sounds like a good plan that Josh