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[albitz]

Stupidly, the reason it was not a procession may have been that many expected a safety car and it was withheld.

Hopefully it has put to bed the argument that they don't put enough fuel in to race to the end.

There were some good passes and I enjoyed it.

Not sure if track has changed much since I last watched one, but that used to be one of the easier cicuits for overtaking?

Nope, partially a street ciruit, lined with concrete walls in parts, very slippery off line as it is rarely used when not used for F1.

[albitz]

I suppose technology and the safety culture have both been responsible for making this a safer - if less exciting - sport



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Interesting piece of film Zulu. The film of David Purley trying desperately to save Roger Williamson from his burning car is still deeply shocking to watch, even after all these years.
Purley was awarded the George medal for his efforts. He himself was later killed while flying a stunt plane, which was his chosen method of adrenalin fix after he stopped racing cars.
Also footage of Laudas accident at the Nurburgring in there, it was bordering on the miraculous that he not only surived but squeezed his crash helmet over his bandages 6 weeks later to race an F1 car again. As the film said - that when men were men.

[Dishevelled Den]

I suppose technology and the safety culture have both been responsible for making this a safer - if less exciting - sport



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I'm not at all sure that safety aspirations are the reason for lack of overtakes.  Building safe cars that go fast is one of the major ways in which F1 (and motorsport generally) can help with our everyday lives.

The two main reasons are cars that are similar in performance and their fragility.  Nobody (apart from Massa yesterday ) wants to wheel-bang because their delicate aero-packages get destroyed and nasty, sharp, hurty-bits get stuck in their little rubber tyres. (IMHO).

As for "When men were men", I hope you watched the IOM TT.  There are still men about in motorsport!

I hope you watched the IOM TT.  There are still men about in motorsport

Although I'm totally uninterested in sport of any kind Chris, I find motorcycle racing to be quite thrilling - thanks to Mr Gixer -and yes, I agree that this flavour of motor sport seems to have more than its fair share of testosterone

[albitz]

Just for you Zulu, yer man from Ballymoney - greatest road racer ever, and a great and fascinating human being as well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qWhVfNM8Q[/media]

[Dishevelled Den]

Just for you Zulu, yer man from Ballymoney - greatest road racer ever, and a great and fascinating human being as well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qWhVfNM8Q[/media]

Thanks A, I find that breathtaking to say the least 8-) 8-) - there was a lot to be said for that stoic Ulsterman 8-)

[Varche]

Great F1 race . Thoroughly enjoyed it. Keep em coming.

Joey Dunlop greatest racer that lived and Jarno Saarinen greatest racer that didn't. (You need to be over 40 to have any chance of remembering him)

[albitz]

Just for you Zulu, yer man from Ballymoney - greatest road racer ever, and a great and fascinating human being as well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8qWhVfNM8Q[/media]

Thanks A, I find that breathtaking to say the least 8-) 8-) - there was a lot to be said for that stoic Ulsterman 8-)

I acn higly recommend the biography of him"Just Joey" by Jimmy Walker Zulu, a brilliant read.

Varche -I am 50 so lucky enough to remember Jarno Saarinen.An amazing rider. 8-)

[Banjax]

all this "when men were men" bull - luckily Jackie Stewart, sick of seeing friends and rivals killed needlessly, and smart enough to realise you don't have to die for your sport instigated the safety culture we see now in F1 - if having people die is what makes a sport good to watch then you have a screw loose imho 

[TheBoy]

all this "when men were men" bull - luckily Jackie Stewart, sick of seeing friends and rivals killed needlessly, and smart enough to realise you don't have to die for your sport instigated the safety culture we see now in F1 - if having people die is what makes a sport good to watch then you have a screw loose imho 

Nope, you've completely missed the point. The current culture may be safe, no harm in that, but has taken away the sport element.

Safety cars out because its raining heavy is a pet hate. If you design a car that cannot work in the wet, then you deserved to be punished, rather than insist that supposed 'racers' can't race due to the weather.  Or that rubbish at Monaco about punishing someone for overtaking on last lap once safety car had gone in.

Virtually all other forms of motorsport manage to integrate excitement with reasonable levels of excitement (with the exception of amateur bike series).

[Banjax]

all this "when men were men" bull - luckily Jackie Stewart, sick of seeing friends and rivals killed needlessly, and smart enough to realise you don't have to die for your sport instigated the safety culture we see now in F1 - if having people die is what makes a sport good to watch then you have a screw loose imho 

Nope, you've completely missed the point. The current culture may be safe, no harm in that, but has taken away the sport element.

Safety cars out because its raining heavy is a pet hate. If you design a car that cannot work in the wet, then you deserved to be punished, rather than insist that supposed 'racers' can't race due to the weather.  Or that rubbish at Monaco about punishing someone for overtaking on last lap once safety car had gone in.

Virtually all other forms of motorsport manage to integrate excitement with reasonable levels of excitement (with the exception of amateur bike series).

Isn't the point of F1 to be the pinnacle of motorsport? Not comprimised by handicapping to keep the racing close - remember when Audi quattros stormed touring cars, instead of saying - well - theyre the ones to beat, they got crippled by weight penalties to make everyone else look better - I'd rather see progress made through competition myself.

There hasn't been a death in F1 since Senna 16 years ago - I'd say thats testament to safety and if the tracks' visibility is close zero and grip is almost zero why would that lottery give you any idea who's car is better?  :-/

[TheBoy]

all this "when men were men" bull - luckily Jackie Stewart, sick of seeing friends and rivals killed needlessly, and smart enough to realise you don't have to die for your sport instigated the safety culture we see now in F1 - if having people die is what makes a sport good to watch then you have a screw loose imho 

Nope, you've completely missed the point. The current culture may be safe, no harm in that, but has taken away the sport element.

Safety cars out because its raining heavy is a pet hate. If you design a car that cannot work in the wet, then you deserved to be punished, rather than insist that supposed 'racers' can't race due to the weather.  Or that rubbish at Monaco about punishing someone for overtaking on last lap once safety car had gone in.

Virtually all other forms of motorsport manage to integrate excitement with reasonable levels of excitement (with the exception of amateur bike series).

Isn't the point of F1 to be the pinnacle of motorsport? Not comprimised by handicapping to keep the racing close - remember when Audi quattros stormed touring cars, instead of saying - well - theyre the ones to beat, they got crippled by weight penalties to make everyone else look better - I'd rather see progress made through competition myself.

There hasn't been a death in F1 since Senna 16 years ago - I'd say thats testament to safety and if the tracks' visibility is close zero and grip is almost zero why would that lottery give you any idea who's car is better?  :-/

But it is hampered to keep racing close - limiting engine power, limiting aerodynamics (not enough imho), no choice of tyres etc. Oh, and no ground effects

I'm not saying the above is bad, quite the opposite, as a spectator needs the excitment of wheel to wheel racing, maybe even the occasional spill/slide/wide. These are the world's very best drivers (supposedly), so the spill/slide/wide should be rare, but the exciting wheel to wheel racing for lap after lap, 2 abreast around corners type excitment needs help, and this is why I think a reduction in aerodyanmic downforce and more emphasis on mechnical grip should allow closer racing, and less tyre damage than now when following cars closely.

[Banjax]

I know what you mean TB, but no ones handicapped to another's advantage - surely the limits are there so everyones is playing with the same set of rules?

i agree f1 should constantly look at ways of improving the spectacle, introducing smaller wings is unlikely as corporate sponsors like large advertising boards on the cars, sadly

[Dishevelled Den]

I know what you mean TB, but no ones handicapped to another's advantage - surely the limits are there so everyones is playing with the same set of rules?

i agree f1 should constantly look at ways of improving the spectacle, introducing smaller wings is unlikely as corporate sponsors like large advertising boards on the cars, sadly

You may not achieve this;

ways of improving the spectacle,

while this;

 

as corporate sponsors like large advertising boards on the cars,

is perhaps uppermost in the minds of those who organise the 'sport' and indeed perhaps the main reason for its being in the first place :-/

[webby23]

Totally enjoyed the race yesterday....especially kubica-s mad mad swerve into the pits.....!!!

 

[The Red Baron]

i thought it was a good race myself & even better result. 8-)