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Re: The Budget (politics)
« Reply #30 on: 22 June 2010, 21:28:20 »

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freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that ???
Remember the private sector have been suffering that for longer - only not pay freezes, but pay cuts (or pay freeze, but longer hours in the case of Mrs TheBoy).

Its about time the unions and workers for the public sector wake up to reality!

Public vs Private sector comparisons are, however, fatally flawed. It depends on which part of each sector you work in (the devil is in the detail). In my case, I work in the public sector and the Countess in the private sector. I have seen my pay rise by 12% over the last 5 years ... hers has gone up by just over 30%. Incidentally the numbers in my office have dropped from around 20 five years ago to 6 full timers and 3 part timers --- throughput and targets have increased regardless.

Bankers have done OK ---- Tesco shelf stackers have been rooked!

Public sector box tickers are alright jack -- the poor sod at the "coal face" is being done over!

Everything depends on where you look.
In general, most public sector workers have seen above average rises in the last 3yrs. This simply isn't sustainable. Who is going to pay for it?

The company I work for saw a 20% drop in profits a couple of years back. In laymans terms, that means that 20% of the staff had to go. No questions, no complaining, thats the private sector. Even though there is now more work to be done that there was before.

Mrs TB, who works in the motor trade, which has been through a particularly rough time because New Labour had their hearts set on destroying all British industry, and the business secretary was a corrupt little scumbag, in effect has to work almost one extra day a week for no extra pay. In effect, around a 17% decrease in hourly pay.

Then we see see the likes on Unite complaining their public sector members only being offered 2% (iirc) last year - I know they have that retarded pillock Woodley heading them up, but even so, surely these people must understand reality - the 'company' is losing £175bn a year. Harsh staffing decisions are needed, and a massive increase in efficiency.


Lets face it, downturns happen every 10-15yrs, hopefully not as severe as this last one.  We need to be saving money during the non-recession years.  So we have 10-15yrs to make back that £900bn. Currently, the savings projected by this budget are in the region of £30bn a year, and national debt in 2015 will still be over £700bn.


The state needs to shrink drastically, and become more efficient. Or should we bankrupt the country?
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Re: The Budget (politics)
« Reply #31 on: 22 June 2010, 21:50:15 »

I think some peeps are getting DLA mixed up with Incapacity Benefit, now called ESA either way Long Term Sick, which is much abused. This is what he wants medicals for....
People may get DLA, or the mobility component of it anyway and be in full time employment as a lot are....

I was expecting much worse to be honest, though looks like no pay rise for a while.... ::)
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« Reply #32 on: 22 June 2010, 22:08:26 »

Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!

Hey ho ... c'est la vie

I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!!  Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!
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« Reply #33 on: 22 June 2010, 22:17:35 »

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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!

Hey ho ... c'est la vie

I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!!  Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!

Assuming Local Government, if so that would not be a pay rise, it is simply a promotion or incremental rise which.......... no, as I write this I am less sure, ::) :-[ was going to say you should still get it.... :-/
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« Reply #34 on: 22 June 2010, 22:33:27 »

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freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that ???
Remember the private sector have been suffering that for longer - only not pay freezes, but pay cuts (or pay freeze, but longer hours in the case of Mrs TheBoy).

Its about time the unions and workers for the public sector wake up to reality!

Public vs Private sector comparisons are, however, fatally flawed. It depends on which part of each sector you work in (the devil is in the detail). In my case, I work in the public sector and the Countess in the private sector. I have seen my pay rise by 12% over the last 5 years ... hers has gone up by just over 30%. Incidentally the numbers in my office have dropped from around 20 five years ago to 6 full timers and 3 part timers --- throughput and targets have increased regardless.

Bankers have done OK ---- Tesco shelf stackers have been rooked!

Public sector box tickers are alright jack -- the poor sod at the "coal face" is being done over!

Everything depends on where you look.
In general, most public sector workers have seen above average rises in the last 3yrs. This simply isn't sustainable. Who is going to pay for it?

The company I work for saw a 20% drop in profits a couple of years back. In laymans terms, that means that 20% of the staff had to go. No questions, no complaining, thats the private sector. Even though there is now more work to be done that there was before.

Mrs TB, who works in the motor trade, which has been through a particularly rough time because New Labour had their hearts set on destroying all British industry, and the business secretary was a corrupt little scumbag, in effect has to work almost one extra day a week for no extra pay. In effect, around a 17% decrease in hourly pay.

Then we see see the likes on Unite complaining their public sector members only being offered 2% (iirc) last year - I know they have that retarded pillock Woodley heading them up, but even so, surely these people must understand reality - the 'company' is losing £175bn a year. Harsh staffing decisions are needed, and a massive increase in efficiency.


Lets face it, downturns happen every 10-15yrs, hopefully not as severe as this last one.  We need to be saving money during the non-recession years.  So we have 10-15yrs to make back that £900bn. Currently, the savings projected by this budget are in the region of £30bn a year, and national debt in 2015 will still be over £700bn.


The state needs to shrink drastically, and become more efficient. Or should we bankrupt the country?


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The state needs to shrink drastically, and become more efficient

I would certainly agree with that but I fear that the present government and the next one (at least) have been, and will be, ham-strung by the expectation of those who in the past have either made their living from the state  or who have depended upon it for benefits.

I think this problem goes far beyond the stark financial state the country presently faces however. 

It's also about the endemic breakdown in personal responsibility;
 
The expectation by many of their being taken care of by the state - irrespective of their contribution;

The culture of the introspective and of the 'couldn't give a monkeys';

The belief that someone else will always sort the problem out and therefore there's no need to worry about anything;

The desire to partake in the materialistic and 'finer' aspects of modern life without working to gain the means necessary to achieve that goal;

The wholesale disrespect by many for the institutions of the state (also by members of that very state);

Finally, for the moment, the current trend that many people seem to rest more readily in the culture of celebrity and of the make-believe than in the harsh world of personal, fiscal and social responsibility and respect for the nation and its  citizens.

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bankrupt the country

Thanks to the culture of excess exhibited by the many, the dismal failure of recent government, the loss of national pride, the acceptance that other unelected bodies have a right to dictate policy - we, as a nation, are already bankrupt:  Bankrupt in ideas, bankrupt in morality, bankrupt in personal responsibility and shortly perhaps, bankrupt in fact.

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« Reply #35 on: 22 June 2010, 22:36:07 »

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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!

Hey ho ... c'est la vie

I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!!  Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!

Assuming Local Government, if so that would not be a pay rise, it is simply a promotion or incremental rise which.......... no, as I write this I am less sure, ::) :-[ was going to say you should still get it.... :-/

Although technically an incremental rise (albeit all 7 increments at once) we have been told it still comes out of the pay budget --- which, of course has been frozen ----- therefore what I have been sort of "owed" for the last 6 years will not be paid.

Will cost me £7k a year from now on, but, hey, the bankers can still fuel their Rollers, so all is well.
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« Reply #36 on: 22 June 2010, 22:48:53 »

Zulu, old bean, I apologise if I am sounding a bit "me, me, me", but the £7k loss is merely one of a few missiles to strike home at the same time  :-/

So, for a few hours at least, I and my family are the centre of my world ::)
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« Reply #37 on: 22 June 2010, 22:56:02 »

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Zulu, old bean, I apologise if I am sounding a bit "me, me, me", but the £7k loss is merely one of a few missiles to strike home at the same time  :-/

So, for a few hours at least, I and my family are the centre of my world ::)


Your Holiness, I speak of the national condition in general  The fact that you have 'given' to the state - like myself and others,  permits you to have a wee bitch about this in clear and justifiable conscience.
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« Reply #38 on: 22 June 2010, 23:29:15 »

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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!

Hey ho ... c'est la vie

I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!!  Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!

Assuming Local Government, if so that would not be a pay rise, it is simply a promotion or incremental rise which.......... no, as I write this I am less sure, ::) :-[ was going to say you should still get it.... :-/

Although technically an incremental rise (albeit all 7 increments at once) we have been told it still comes out of the pay budget --- which, of course has been frozen ----- therefore what I have been sort of "owed" for the last 6 years will not be paid.

Will cost me £7k a year from now on, but, hey, the bankers can still fuel their Rollers, so all is well.

and I think a lot of companies, sectors, departments etc are are also using this as an excuse, primarily to save money and maybe spend else where but also to force a situation where some people will simply find other jobs and saving them payments in thier budgets rather han lose it to redundencues if they really cut back.
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« Reply #39 on: 23 June 2010, 00:09:50 »

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Where it has mesed me up --- and I am sure I will get no sympathy is that I am now prevented from progression along my payscale. My department operates a system whereby officers remain on the bottom of their scales for a period of 6 or 7 years and then rocket to the top in the 7th or 8th year. My “ascension” was due next year, and now will not happen!

Hey ho ... c'est la vie

I have worked out, under the current system, I can get a good "pay rise" by becoming unemployed !!!!  Trouble is I have this darned work ethic !!!!!

Assuming Local Government, if so that would not be a pay rise, it is simply a promotion or incremental rise which.......... no, as I write this I am less sure, ::) :-[ was going to say you should still get it.... :-/

Although technically an incremental rise (albeit all 7 increments at once) we have been told it still comes out of the pay budget --- which, of course has been frozen ----- therefore what I have been sort of "owed" for the last 6 years will not be paid.

Will cost me £7k a year from now on, but, hey, the bankers can still fuel their Rollers, so all is well.

and I think a lot of companies, sectors, departments etc are are also using this as an excuse, primarily to save money and maybe spend else where but also to force a situation where some people will simply find other jobs and saving them payments in thier budgets rather han lose it to redundencues if they really cut back.

Quite agree, both public and private sector, if you don't like it......... :(
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« Reply #40 on: 23 June 2010, 00:18:46 »

Sadly you dont get paid what you are worth anymore, if you dont like it then leave and we will replace you is thier attitude these days.

Oh, and the boses take that attitude, why coz it funds thier performance related bonus (That they dont need and didnt earn)  as some one posted a few weeks ago about a councel, there were so many boses earning mega bucks between them.   :-X
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« Reply #41 on: 23 June 2010, 00:23:15 »

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Sadly you dont get paid what you are worth anymore, if you dont like it then leave and we will replace you is thier attitude these days.

Oh, and the boses take that attitude, why coz it funds thier performance related bonus (That they dont need and didnt earn)  as some one posted a few weeks ago about a councel, there were so many boses earning mega bucks between them.   :-X

So true, and the amount of non jobs is incredible, then there are the jobs to gather stats for a number of government departments, oh and crap computer systems, stop me before I get into one....... >:( >:( >:(
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