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[Debs.]

.....a British jackbooted 'Police State'.

What ever happened to the calm professionalism we`re led to believe that our Police exhibit?
One of them is jumping up and down on the bonnet!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10888435

[Mr Skrunts]

I saw that on last nights news (mentioned it in the Police, camera , action thread)  all that over not wearing a seat belt, the revenue from the fime wont come any where near what this is going to cost to sort out.

[Elite Pete]

But its ok because the Police don't have to abide by the law

[Mr Skrunts]

Lust watched it again, the range rover rolled back at the end of the clip, glad it didnt hit the police, there's no telling what they would have done to him.

Glad they video recorded themselves in the act.

[Mr Skrunts]

But its ok because the Police don't have to abide by the law

Thats what they think.......

[Elite Pete]

Take this for instance and reverse the roles.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/ian-tomlinson-g20-death-video

I joe public had done that to a PC what would have happened

And before anyone says "he was pissed or you don't know what he had done or said before he was pushed". If it was that bad just arrest him, he might still be here today.

[PhilRich]

It seems he offended their apparently overinflated sensibilities by driving off whilst being bollocked for not wearing a seat belt? If that's the case, then he is partly to blame for the eventual outcome IMO, but drastic overreaction by the officers involved is utterly shameful & indefensible. Just another sign of the times methinks, although we should always be able to depend on the forces of Law & Order for a measured & equitable response to any situation at ANY time.

[Varche]

That guy could easily have been Mrs Varche's uncle.

I could see him now getting  "bored" with it all and just driving off! fantastic.   

By the way no one will get sacked they never do.

[PhilRich]

Take this for instance and reverse the roles.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/ian-tomlinson-g20-death-video

I joe public had done that to a PC what would have happened

And before anyone says "he was pissed or you don't know what he had done or said before he was pushed". If it was that bad just arrest him, he might still be here today.

Exactly EP, that poor sod died because in that Coppers eyes, he had the utter temerity to be in their way & apparently not intimidated enough to get out of their way quickly enough! The Police have a difficult & at times dirty job to do, but hasn't it always been the case that 'If you are not for us then you must be against us?' and we as 'Civilians' are all treated as 'them' and therefore not one of 'us'? It's a tribalist instinct that should have no place in 'Civilised' society.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

But its ok because the Police don't have to abide by the law

No it is not alright and they do have to abide by the law!

That it why the allegation will be fully investigated, with the IPCC involved, and any due legal action will be taken against those responsible for committing any offence.

[steve_daly]

Without being too contentious I don't really see a problem here. They dealt with him the same way they deal pretty much with anyone else who drives off or fails to stop.

I am sure that they were not concerned at that point about his lack of seatbelt wearing but more of what he could be hiding or trying to get away with...drugs, arms, disqual driver, stolen motor the list is endless and the fact he is 70 really has no bearing on the matter, old people do comit crime. For all the old bill know he could have had someone tied up the boot, you just don't know.

I am sure he will be well compensated. I have no issues with the police behaving like this, at all. If you don't stop or drive off then it's your doing.

[tidla]

Without being too contentious I don't really see a problem here. They dealt with him the same way they deal pretty much with anyone else who drives off or fails to stop.

I am sure that they were not concerned at that point about his lack of seatbelt wearing but more of what he could be hiding or trying to get away with...drugs, arms, disqual driver, stolen motor the list is endless and the fact he is 70 really has no bearing on the matter, old people do comit crime. For all the old bill know he could have had someone tied up the boot, you just don't know.
I am sure he will be well compensated. I have no issues with the police behaving like this, at all. If you don't stop or drive off then it's your doing.

[tunnie]

silly old duffer, but as mentioned, anyone could have been in that car. Smashing windows is standard shock & awe tactics, which are proven to work.

[Dishevelled Den]

Bearing in mind that the full facts of this matter remain to be disclosed, this is a classic indication of how many – but not all - beat and patrol officers seem to think at the moment.

Traditional methods have given way in many cases to this confrontational 'balls out' approach brought about by society's changing attitude and intolerant behaviour towards most forms of authority (the police in particular).

This incident appears to be one where the officers concerned acted excessively in circumstances where a more considered approach would have been appropriate.

Its part of the vicious circle where the police get aggro (not necessarily from this driver) so they respond in kind: a very dangerous precedent to adopt, for without the cooperation of the public, policing becomes very difficult indeed.

I'm dismayed that the police, in general, appear to have failed to resist the political interference practiced by recent government (particularly that of the last Labour administration) this, to a certain extent, has eroded the traditional role of the constabulary.

In a world where the ‘security on the nation’ from terrorist attack seems to have been given precedence – in terms of the application of police power -  to the combating of crime by a professional police force acting  proportionally within the law, inexcusable incidents such as the one in question will continue to happen.

[Mr Skrunts]

silly old duffer, but as mentioned, anyone could have been in that car. Smashing windows is standard shock & awe tactics, which are proven to work.

and jumping up and gown on the bonnet.