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[TheBoy]

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Either way, I know Andy B will slip on his rose tinted specs, and claim that the Senator never needed it

It didn't need TC to do over 180 degs, it could do it all by itself 

Joking aside, Andy B, seeing as I seem to have more success with TC than you, if it could be related to the brakes - I eat rear pads like they are going out of fashion (new to metal in less than 2 years normally).  Wondering if it works better with Tradeclub (softer) pads?  Or all the servicing my rear brakes get (due to constant MOT issues)?  I have really abused mine - silly stunts like a 0-80mph standing start on a slippery surface, and its held it).  I was debating this with chrisgixer the other night, but he was too phished to join in

Mine are tradeclub pads  :-/
I just know that TC won't let me get up the slight hill I live at the top of due to nannying & cutting power when it might be better to just let things slip while you're at  least still moving.

There are times when slip is more effective than no slip, in the same way that there are occasions when a locked up wheel is better than an ABS controlled wheel when slowing down...

[Andy B]

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There are times when slip is more effective than no slip, in the same way that there are occasions when a locked up wheel is better than an ABS controlled wheel when slowing down...

Indeed. I noticed that effect a few time last year in the snow when using the crappy Astra which didn't have ABS. It's since gone to a scrap yard in the sky at Pimhole and its replacement does have ABS. I don't suppose I'll be able to play from now on