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[Nickbat]

..and, of course, when it comes to wasting natural resources, one need look no further than the EU's fishery laws which prompt the immoral discarding of millions of tonnes of fish each year.   

[cem_devecioglu]

apart from all the discussion subject, scientifically, a full stomach doesnt mean you have good nutrition..

yes, I can fill my stomach with water and bread, like many do (here I must say I see around many people even with relatively good salaries dont have good nutrition as a well balanced nutrition costs serious sums here and those people dont like to spend all of their money for kitchen ) but this dont solve the problem..

so, in my opinion world leading groups must bite the bullet and take the decision.. there must be serious limitations and regulations about population growth..

we are not simple creatures like a bacteria, and we cant and must not live like them..

humans need proper food, proper facilities, proper living area and a life standard.. or else we will kill each other like we do now ..

[Lizzie_Zoom]

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sorry but utter 'dangle berries'

I'm with Cem on this one. Resources are finite not infinite......and how do they arrive at the peak figure of nine billion ......why not twelve .....fifteen or twenty billion? 

Known existing fertility & birth rates (both falling)

You know Nick then that this trend will continue over the next 5, 10, 20, 50 years?  How? 

As for "food waste" in Africe, it is not just a case of plugging in freezers or fridges.  They so often do not have clean running water, let alone electricity.  They need the basics, but political will and nature is not currently favouring resolution of all these issues now, or anytime soon, let alone the climate becoming more favourable to help!

All that has been taken into account by the scientists who say the Earth cannot support 9 billion people, as I explained before.   

[Nickbat]

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sorry but utter 'dangle berries'

I'm with Cem on this one. Resources are finite not infinite......and how do they arrive at the peak figure of nine billion ......why not twelve .....fifteen or twenty billion? 

Known existing fertility & birth rates (both falling)

You know Nick then that this trend will continue over the next 5, 10, 20, 50 years?  How? 

As for "food waste" in Africe, it is not just a case of plugging in freezers or fridges.  They so often do not have clean running water, let alone electricity.  They need the basics, but political will and nature is not currently favouring resolution of all these issues now, or anytime soon, let alone the climate becoming more favourable to help!

All that has been taken into account by the scientists who say the Earth cannot support 9 billion people, as I explained before.   

1. How do you know it won't? I merely look at the facts which show conclusively that birth rates have declined (in step with relative prosperity). As far as the fertility rates are concerned, they have been going down for some time now; there is no reason to suppose that trend is about to reverse.

2. Except, of course, the scientists mentioned in the article who say it can. 

[Dishevelled Den]

..and, of course, when it comes to wasting natural resources, one need look no further than the EU's fishery laws which prompt the immoral discarding of millions of tonnes of fish each year.   

And if that's not another reason why the present arrangements with Brussels shouldn't be kicked decisively into the gutter I don't know what is.

[Nickbat]

apart from all the discussion subject, scientifically, a full stomach doesnt mean you have good nutrition..

yes, I can fill my stomach with water and bread, like many do (here I must say I see around many people even with relatively good salaries dont have good nutrition as a well balanced nutrition costs serious sums here and those people dont like to spend all of their money for kitchen ) but this dont solve the problem..

so, in my opinion world leading groups must bite the bullet and take the decision.. there must be serious limitations and regulations about population growth..

we are not simple creatures like a bacteria, and we cant and must not live like them..

humans need proper food, proper facilities, proper living area and a life standard.. or else we will kill each other like we do now ..

Huh?

UN regulations governing the number of children you may have? How? Forced sterilisations? Automatic state-imposed abortions? Mandatory euthanasia for anyone thought to have outgrown their usefulness?

I wouldn't want to be part of that fascist future, thanks.     

[cem_devecioglu]

apart from all the discussion subject, scientifically, a full stomach doesnt mean you have good nutrition..

yes, I can fill my stomach with water and bread, like many do (here I must say I see around many people even with relatively good salaries dont have good nutrition as a well balanced nutrition costs serious sums here and those people dont like to spend all of their money for kitchen ) but this dont solve the problem..

so, in my opinion world leading groups must bite the bullet and take the decision.. there must be serious limitations and regulations about population growth..

we are not simple creatures like a bacteria, and we cant and must not live like them..

humans need proper food, proper facilities, proper living area and a life standard.. or else we will kill each other like we do now ..

Huh?

UN regulations governing the number of children you may have? How? Forced sterilisations? Automatic state-imposed abortions? Mandatory euthanasia for anyone thought to have outgrown their usefulness?

I wouldn't want to be part of that fascist future, thanks.     

if you dont solve this problem at the beginning , a person suffers whole out the life (and the related others) and then his/her family and his/her children and their childrens and the chain goes on..

which one do you prefer ?

[Nickbat]

apart from all the discussion subject, scientifically, a full stomach doesnt mean you have good nutrition..

yes, I can fill my stomach with water and bread, like many do (here I must say I see around many people even with relatively good salaries dont have good nutrition as a well balanced nutrition costs serious sums here and those people dont like to spend all of their money for kitchen ) but this dont solve the problem..

so, in my opinion world leading groups must bite the bullet and take the decision.. there must be serious limitations and regulations about population growth..

we are not simple creatures like a bacteria, and we cant and must not live like them..

humans need proper food, proper facilities, proper living area and a life standard.. or else we will kill each other like we do now ..

Huh?

UN regulations governing the number of children you may have? How? Forced sterilisations? Automatic state-imposed abortions? Mandatory euthanasia for anyone thought to have outgrown their usefulness?

I wouldn't want to be part of that fascist future, thanks.     

if you dont solve this problem at the beginning , a person suffers whole out the life (and the related others) and then his/her family and his/her children and their childrens and the chain goes on..

which one do you prefer ?

Freedom, not state or supranational fascism.

[aaronjb]

apart from all the discussion subject, scientifically, a full stomach doesnt mean you have good nutrition..

yes, I can fill my stomach with water and bread, like many do (here I must say I see around many people even with relatively good salaries dont have good nutrition as a well balanced nutrition costs serious sums here and those people dont like to spend all of their money for kitchen ) but this dont solve the problem..

so, in my opinion world leading groups must bite the bullet and take the decision.. there must be serious limitations and regulations about population growth..

we are not simple creatures like a bacteria, and we cant and must not live like them..

humans need proper food, proper facilities, proper living area and a life standard.. or else we will kill each other like we do now ..

Huh?

UN regulations governing the number of children you may have? How? Forced sterilisations? Automatic state-imposed abortions? Mandatory euthanasia for anyone thought to have outgrown their usefulness?

I wouldn't want to be part of that fascist future, thanks.     

Just like China, I suppose - one child per family. Unless you're rich and then you can just pay the fines and/or buy children from families who've had one too many. The communist utopia where ... money rules?

Oh and that's forgetting the families who kill their own children before registering their birth in order to keep trying for a boy (leading to few women and many men).

Yep, I think I'm with you there, Nickbat.

[cem_devecioglu]

apart from all the discussion subject, scientifically, a full stomach doesnt mean you have good nutrition..

yes, I can fill my stomach with water and bread, like many do (here I must say I see around many people even with relatively good salaries dont have good nutrition as a well balanced nutrition costs serious sums here and those people dont like to spend all of their money for kitchen ) but this dont solve the problem..

so, in my opinion world leading groups must bite the bullet and take the decision.. there must be serious limitations and regulations about population growth..

we are not simple creatures like a bacteria, and we cant and must not live like them..

humans need proper food, proper facilities, proper living area and a life standard.. or else we will kill each other like we do now ..

Huh?

UN regulations governing the number of children you may have? How? Forced sterilisations? Automatic state-imposed abortions? Mandatory euthanasia for anyone thought to have outgrown their usefulness?

I wouldn't want to be part of that fascist future, thanks.     

if you dont solve this problem at the beginning , a person suffers whole out the life (and the related others) and then his/her family and his/her children and their childrens and the chain goes on..

which one do you prefer ?

Freedom, not state or supranational fascism.

I'm afraid that freedom does not contain reproduction unlimited  .. Problem is, you think in terms of UK standards like 2-3 children..  in east you can see families with 5-6-7-8 and in some cases more than 20 children with multiple wifes.. do you know how they feed those children.. onion, bread ,tomato and water..mostly..

[Nickbat]

I'm afraid that freedom does not contain reproduction unlimited  .. Problem is, you think in terms of UK standards like 2-3 children..  in east you can see families with 5-6-7-8 and in some cases more than 20 children with multiple wifes.. do you know how they feed those children.. onion, bread ,tomato and water..mostly..

They procreate most in poorer societies because of the high level of infant mortality. Once these nations are brought up to Western standards of living, the birth rate will fall. However, it is no business of mine, or yours, or any politician, or UN bureaucrat to dictate how many children they should have. When they achieve prosperity, and better health, they will have less children. Their freedom will remain untarnished. 

[cem_devecioglu]

I'm afraid that freedom does not contain reproduction unlimited  .. Problem is, you think in terms of UK standards like 2-3 children..  in east you can see families with 5-6-7-8 and in some cases more than 20 children with multiple wifes.. do you know how they feed those children.. onion, bread ,tomato and water..mostly..

They procreate most in poorer societies 1 .because of the high level of infant mortality.

  Nickbat , no direct/indirect relationship.. the main reason is they need more slaves to work on the ground and go after animals..and they need more hands to hold guns.. in these communities number of persons are desired to be maximum..

2.Once these nations are brought up to Western standards of living, the birth rate will fall.

Nope.. many people from those nations migrate to west countries (big cities) and most of them remain the same.. 
(I can even give some links to pictures but not necessary)

 3.However, it is no business of mine, or yours, or any politician, or UN bureaucrat to dictate how many children they should have.

we are not imposing or dictating anything, world/country resources and economic conditions define the rules unfortunately..


When they achieve 4.prosperity, and better health, they will have less children. Their freedom will remain untarnished. 

How they can achieve that .. everyday millions of people are added to jobless,homeless poor masses..
if the capitalist system continues to pump the money to the top of pyramid everytime this will never happen.. 

[Nickbat]

I'm afraid that freedom does not contain reproduction unlimited  .. Problem is, you think in terms of UK standards like 2-3 children..  in east you can see families with 5-6-7-8 and in some cases more than 20 children with multiple wifes.. do you know how they feed those children.. onion, bread ,tomato and water..mostly..

They procreate most in poorer societies 1 .because of the high level of infant mortality.

  Nickbat , no direct/indirect relationship.. the main reason is they need more slaves to work on the ground and go after animals..and they need more hands to hold guns.. in these communities number of persons are desired to be maximum..

2.Once these nations are brought up to Western standards of living, the birth rate will fall.

Nope.. many people from those nations migrate to west countries (big cities) and most of them remain the same.. 
(I can even give some links to pictures but not necessary)

 3.However, it is no business of mine, or yours, or any politician, or UN bureaucrat to dictate how many children they should have.

we are not imposing or dictating anything, world/country resources and economic conditions define the rules unfortunately..


When they achieve 4.prosperity, and better health, they will have less children. Their freedom will remain untarnished. 

How they can achieve that .. everyday millions of people are added to jobless,homeless poor masses..
if the capitalist system continues to pump the money to the top of pyramid everytime this will never happen.. 

The scatter graph here shows a direct connection between infant mortality and birth rate:

http://www.scalloway.org.uk/popu6.htm

It also describes how the developed (capitalist) nations have lower birth rates due to expense, sexual equality, career, etc.

You claim that those who emigrate to the West continue to have high birth rates. That may be so, but it would be unacceptable/illegal to single out minorities to be subjected to birth constraints.   

[cem_devecioglu]

I'm afraid that freedom does not contain reproduction unlimited  .. Problem is, you think in terms of UK standards like 2-3 children..  in east you can see families with 5-6-7-8 and in some cases more than 20 children with multiple wifes.. do you know how they feed those children.. onion, bread ,tomato and water..mostly..

They procreate most in poorer societies 1 .because of the high level of infant mortality.

  Nickbat , no direct/indirect relationship.. the main reason is they need more slaves to work on the ground and go after animals..and they need more hands to hold guns.. in these communities number of persons are desired to be maximum..

2.Once these nations are brought up to Western standards of living, the birth rate will fall.

Nope.. many people from those nations migrate to west countries (big cities) and most of them remain the same.. 
(I can even give some links to pictures but not necessary)

 3.However, it is no business of mine, or yours, or any politician, or UN bureaucrat to dictate how many children they should have.

we are not imposing or dictating anything, world/country resources and economic conditions define the rules unfortunately..


When they achieve 4.prosperity, and better health, they will have less children. Their freedom will remain untarnished. 

How they can achieve that .. everyday millions of people are added to jobless,homeless poor masses..
if the capitalist system continues to pump the money to the top of pyramid everytime this will never happen.. 

1.The scatter graph here shows a direct connection between infant mortality and birth rate:http://www.scalloway.org.uk/popu6.htm

It also describes how the developed (capitalist) nations have lower birth rates due to expense, sexual equality, career, etc.

You claim that those who emigrate to the West continue to have high birth rates. That may be so, but 2.it would be unacceptable/illegal to single out minorities to be subjected to birth constraints.   

1.yep.. but dont tell me those people think that "so many people around are going to die so we must  hurry to make babies "  .. its what they are and how they used to live..

2. Ok then.. dont do it.. But I'll remind you the day ,you become minority in your own country

[cem_devecioglu]

apart from all the discussion subject, scientifically, a full stomach doesnt mean you have good nutrition..

yes, I can fill my stomach with water and bread, like many do (here I must say I see around many people even with relatively good salaries dont have good nutrition as a well balanced nutrition costs serious sums here and those people dont like to spend all of their money for kitchen ) but this dont solve the problem..

so, in my opinion world leading groups must bite the bullet and take the decision.. there must be serious limitations and regulations about population growth..

we are not simple creatures like a bacteria, and we cant and must not live like them..

humans need proper food, proper facilities, proper living area and a life standard.. or else we will kill each other like we do now ..

Huh?

UN regulations governing the number of children you may have? How? Forced sterilisations? Automatic state-imposed abortions? Mandatory euthanasia for anyone thought to have outgrown their usefulness?

I wouldn't want to be part of that fascist future, thanks.     

Just like China, I suppose - one child per family. Unless you're rich and then you can just pay the fines and/or buy children from families who've had one too many. The communist utopia where ... money rules?

Oh and that's forgetting the families who kill their own children before registering their birth in order to keep trying for a boy (leading to few women and many men).

Yep, I think I'm with you there, Nickbat.

I'm curious if your population exceeds 10⁹ what laws your country will make and how you force people to stop .. :-/