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[djac]

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Leave the Brussel sprouts alone Cem!!

I am now leading a political party to bring full rights and freedom to this much maligned vegetable.  For too long they have been blamed for causing damage to air quality and the environment generally, but I believe that their qualitities are second to none in giving us great goodness. ....

For you then Lizzie        ....... http://www.eyegas.com/sproutifarts/

 

That is great Andy!

I had better not use that though in any Party Broadcast!!

Wrong word (or at least wrong first letter) surely LZ? 

[cem_devecioglu]

good question.

lets put it this way.... if an omega appreciation party  (oap  ) formed i'd vote for them on the basis that they would (or should) bring back the omega into production and also that they couldnt spend as much money as labour, get us into more unwinnable and unjustified wars than labour and couldnt corrupt the justice/crime/sentencing laws any more than labour.

Even the most recent Omega are at least seven or eight years old now.....I think it's natural successor could well be the VW Phaeton. It shares many similarities with the Omega.......expensive when new.......understated.......and underrated....plus enormous depreciation....which means they eventually fall within the grasp of Omega owners.

Perhaps we could link the Omega owners forum and the Phaeton owners forum together.......This could be known as POOF .........    

imo passat cc  seems very similiar in my eyes and I like their design..







but for the next car still I'm not sure , a bimmer or at least type-r sounds more fun.. :-/

[Banjax]

good question.

lets put it this way.... if an omega appreciation party  (oap  ) formed i'd vote for them on the basis that they would (or should) bring back the omega into production and also that they couldnt spend as much money as labour, get us into more unwinnable and unjustified wars than labour and couldnt corrupt the justice/crime/sentencing laws any more than labour.

Even the most recent Omega are at least seven or eight years old now.....I think it's natural successor could well be the VW Phaeton. It shares many similarities with the Omega.......expensive when new.......understated.......and underrated....plus enormous depreciation....which means they eventually fall within the grasp of Omega owners.

Perhaps we could link the Omega owners forum and the Phaeton owners forum together.......This could be known as POOF .........    

SS Phaetons are nudging down to 6k now...and falling....    slurp

[SJKOO01]

I have been saying for a long time that the populous is sick of the three main parties and were trawling round looking for a fresh home for their vote.

It seems that UKIP will soon be a force to be reckoned with..and also that the horrid BNP will go down the plug-hole (and good riddance!)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100073790/record-ukip-poll-ratings-only-a-matter-of-time-before-they-overtake-the-lib-dems/

 

I'm no expert in Politics and never understand it fully and a bit of a conspiracy theory person on this side of things.
I don't believe that the people’s votes do actually reflect on how people want to go.  Let's face it, if the whole country voted UKIP as an example, I doubt they would get in as our Government.

It's all about what seats they hold isn't it and I can't see a small party outside the main ones getting any real chance of leading the Country.  It's always only ever going to be one of the three main parties that get in.  Even though there's a coalition now, it isn't going to last long by the way things are going!.
(GM prediction - End of June Media News announce that rumours of an early election ahead of time  ).


Oh.... and as the Brussels sprouts party, what a bitch of a job their 'environmental minister' has persuading us their party is committed to reducing emissions!   

[Amigo]

I know the BNP are'nt generally very popular & as you say folk are disillusioned with the 3...2? ...even 1 once they get in main parties but why are UKIP not as frowned on as BNP?
   I know i'm pitching this question at folk i sometimes lock horns with but i honestly don't know what differs the said parties so it's a genuine question. Guy.

[Nickbat]

I know the BNP are'nt generally very popular & as you say folk are disillusioned with the 3...2? ...even 1 once they get in main parties but why are UKIP not as frowned on as BNP?
   I know i'm pitching this question at folk i sometimes lock horns with but i honestly don't know what differs the said parties so it's a genuine question. Guy.

The BNP are essentially racist and have some really nasty people in their ranks. UKIP does what it says on the tin. It is libertarian and believes in small government. Thus it is very much anti-EU. That said, they do have some excellent policies in other areas. Of course some folk may pick up on the odd policy here or there with which they do not agree, but overall the party appeals strongly to those ex-Tories who do not see DC as being a strong leader.

Also, BNP are national socialist, believing in government control over many areas. UKIP does not.

Hope that helps. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I know the BNP are'nt generally very popular & as you say folk are disillusioned with the 3...2? ...even 1 once they get in main parties but why are UKIP not as frowned on as BNP?
   I know i'm pitching this question at folk i sometimes lock horns with but i honestly don't know what differs the said parties so it's a genuine question. Guy.

The BNP are essentially racist and have some really nasty people in their ranks. UKIP does what it says on the tin. It is libertarian and believes in small government. Thus it is very much anti-EU. That said, they do have some excellent policies in other areas. Of course some folk may pick up on the odd policy here or there with which they do not agree, but overall the party appeals strongly to those ex-Tories who do not see DC as being a strong leader.

Also, BNP are national socialist, believing in government control over many areas. UKIP does not.

Hope that helps. 

I completely agree Nick!!

If anyone has any doubt about what the future would be like with the BNP ruling the country, just watch a few documentaries on Nazi Germany from 1933 onwards!!

A really disgunting and dangerous group of people!!

[Banjax]

I have been saying for a long time that the populous is sick of the three main parties and were trawling round looking for a fresh home for their vote.

It seems that UKIP will soon be a force to be reckoned with..and also that the horrid BNP will go down the plug-hole (and good riddance!)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100073790/record-ukip-poll-ratings-only-a-matter-of-time-before-they-overtake-the-lib-dems/

 

I'm no expert in Politics and never understand it fully and a bit of a conspiracy theory person on this side of things.
I don't believe that the people’s votes do actually reflect on how people want to go.  Let's face it, if the whole country voted UKIP as an example, I doubt they would get in as our Government.

It's all about what seats they hold isn't it and I can't see a small party outside the main ones getting any real chance of leading the Country.  It's always only ever going to be one of the three main parties that get in.  Even though there's a coalition now, it isn't going to last long by the way things are going!.
(GM prediction - End of June Media News announce that rumours of an early election ahead of time  ).


Oh.... and as the Brussels sprouts party, what a bitch of a job their 'environmental minister' has persuading us their party is committed to reducing emissions!   

if the LibDems get an Aalternative Vote or Proportional Representation system in then that would be a much more accurate reflection....of course it would mean that parties on the right wouldn't get a sniff of power again as we're all fairly left of centre, british sense of fair play and all that 

[albitz]

Nonsense! we are not all left of centre, far from it. I would say that 75% of the people I speak to are right of centre - the other 25% are my friends who have spent their working life in the public sector.
I would have thought that an AV system would make it easier for minority parties to gain seats, as for example if Tory voters registered UKIP as their 2nd choice, that would have an effect on the outcome ? :-/

[Banjax]

Nonsense! we are not all left of centre, far from it. I would say that 75% of the people I speak to are right of centre - the other 25% are my friends who have spent their working life in the public sector.
I would have thought that an AV system would make it easier for minority parties to gain seats, as for example if Tory voters registered UKIP as their 2nd choice, that would have an effect on the outcome ? :-/

that doesnt surprise me, but your circle of friends obviously dont reflect the countries broad left of centre votes, Albs 

[albitz]

Im talking about the people I meet day to day, at work etc. My actual circle of friends are lefties - although Im working on them.
Believe me Banjax - southern England is not generally ,left of centre. I know Scotland is but its quite different down here.

[Banjax]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

if you look at what party got what in the last election - I'd say add up the left of centre parties you get Lab 29%+Lib 23%+SNP 1.7%+Greens 1% - i'll not bother going down the list any further, but thats over 54.7% of the popular vote 

we're broadly left of centre, despite what 75% of your mates say Albs - sorry 

[albitz]

I think the blue area of the map backs up my assertion perfectly. And lets not forget the millions of voters who are too dissilussioned with politicians to vote. I would bet that most of them are "old fashioned" right of centre people who are disgusted with what politicians have done to our country.
As I said - I wasnt referring to my mates, who are mostly lefties. I was reffering to people I meet in day to day life, who are mostly right of centre.

[Dishevelled Den]

if the LibDems get an Aalternative Vote or Proportional Representation system in then that would be a much more accurate reflection....of course it would mean that parties on the right wouldn't get a sniff of power again as we're all fairly left of centre, british sense of fair play and all that 

I'm all for fairness BJ (and balance) but in my experience the AV, PR (particularly) or now coalition methods of doing business invariably lead to a trading shop within the given administration where the real effects of the resultant decisions are often diffuse.

Sometimes - providing the talent is sufficiently capable - there is simply no substitute for strong majority government.

We can attempt to accommodate as many opinions as possible but in the end not every person/group can be satisfied. 

The recent inclination for government here to make this nation an inclusive experience for our diverse population has resulted in confusing and conflicting legislation that has often failed to address fundamental matters where clear decision making is required – decision making that is unimpaired by the dilution of ideas to try to satisfy all those who would have a hand in the process.

At times there can be too many Indians and not enough chiefs.

[Banjax]

if the LibDems get an Aalternative Vote or Proportional Representation system in then that would be a much more accurate reflection....of course it would mean that parties on the right wouldn't get a sniff of power again as we're all fairly left of centre, british sense of fair play and all that 

I'm all for fairness BJ (and balance) but in my experience the AV, PR (particularly) or now coalition methods of doing business invariably lead to a trading shop within the given administration where the real effects of the resultant decisions are often diffuse.

Sometimes - providing the talent is sufficiently capable - there is simply no substitute for strong majority government.

We can attempt to accommodate as many opinions as possible but in the end not every person/group can be satisfied. 

The recent inclination for government here to make this nation an inclusive experience for our diverse population has resulted in confusing and conflicting legislation that has often failed to address fundamental matters where clear decision making is required – decision making that is unimpaired by the dilution of ideas to try to satisfy all those who would have a hand in the process.

At times there can be too many Indians and not enough chiefs.

PR works fairly well across europe - Germany's a pretty strong political and economic force and they make it work Z 

you're right in that you'd end up with lefty "rainbow coalitions" of the kind some were advocating after the last election - ie a messy compromise thats neither fish nor fowl